Evolution debunked. Again.

[Aussie Pete]

Can an incredibly complex creature just suddenly appear? 540 million years ago?

"The remarkable diversity of eyes among trilobites challenges evolutionary theory—not just because eyes popped into existence so suddenly (see Popeye Theory of Evolution, xx), but because each type is so different without transitional forms. One particular species had binocular vision with exceptional optics, so unusual that engineers at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) took a closer look. What they saw challenged them to see if they could achieve similar performance." Full article here: Trilobite Eye Dazzles Government Engineers – CEH

Darwin seemed far less convinced of his theory than modern science. How's this for a brain twister:

“… But I have had no practice in abstract reasoning and I may be all astray. Nevertheless you have expressed my inward conviction, though far more vividly and clearly than I could have done, that the Universe is not the result of chance. But then with me the horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man’s mind, which has been developed from the mind of the lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey’s mind, if there are any convictions in such a mind?…”

The convictions of man's mind include that he evolved from apes. Now if man's thinking is untrustworthy, how can evolution be trusted as a theory? After all, it is the product of human thinking. Yet vast amounts of effort and money are poured into evolution research and it is promoted as indisputable fact. Surely God's word applies, here, written nearly 2,000 years before Darwin:
Romans 1:
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but they became futile in their thinking and darkened in their foolish hearts. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images of mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

evolution vs creation

is the same as satan vs GOD

Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of theeither you are a Follower of Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

It is a salvation issue, either you serve and trust the word of GOD or you are lost

 

[Homeowner]

Yay for another creation news site - they would get a nobel if they could prove anything that they claim. Which they of course can't.

Anyway, since they were talking about eagle eyes how come eagles get better eyes than we do ? The crown of creation. Seems odd.

 

[SuperCow]

I always thought trilobites look a lot like they are related to horseshoe crabs.

Trilobite fossil

Horseshoe crab

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Can an incredibly complex creature just suddenly appear? 540 million years ago?
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An inquiry into the cause;
Rick Moran's Honey Do 'shrink the kids' may be a good scientific starting point of effectiveness or not.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Can an incredibly complex creature just suddenly appear? 540 million years ago?

"The remarkable diversity of eyes among trilobites challenges evolutionary theory—not just because eyes popped into existence so suddenly (see Popeye Theory of Evolution, xx), but because each type is so different without transitional forms. One particular species had binocular vision with exceptional optics, so unusual that engineers at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) took a closer look. What they saw challenged them to see if they could achieve similar performance." Full article here: Trilobite Eye Dazzles Government Engineers – CEH

Darwin seemed far less convinced of his theory than modern science. How's this for a brain twister:

“… But I have had no practice in abstract reasoning and I may be all astray. Nevertheless you have expressed my inward conviction, though far more vividly and clearly than I could have done, that the Universe is not the result of chance. But then with me the horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man’s mind, which has been developed from the mind of the lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey’s mind, if there are any convictions in such a mind?…”

The convictions of man's mind include that he evolved from apes. Now if man's thinking is untrustworthy, how can evolution be trusted as a theory? After all, it is the product of human thinking. Yet vast amounts of effort and money are poured into evolution research and it is promoted as indisputable fact. Surely God's word applies, here, written nearly 2,000 years before Darwin:
Romans 1:
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but they became futile in their thinking and darkened in their foolish hearts. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images of mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

On some abstract level, Darwin did have a point. But philosophically speaking, it's a silly regress that he's made in asserting what he's said in that quote. It's a fallacy on his part, and the funnieist thing here is that he gives "the Genetic Fallacy" a whole new, literal meaning.

Just because we evolved from earlier primates doesn't mean our thinking is useless and of doubtful value. Obviously, whether for better or worse, we've monkeyed around with atoms and become "Homo Atomicus!" Even the smartest Orangutan will have a tough time coming to grips with modern physics--or with the theory of evolution, I think.

 

[Aussie Pete]

On some abstract level, Darwin did have a point. But philosophically speaking, it's a silly regress that he's made in saying that and a fallacy on his part. The funnieist thing here, though, is that in that quote he gives "the Genetic Fallacy" a whole new, literal meaning.

Just because we evolved from earlier primates doesn't mean our thinking is useless. Obviously, whether for better or worse, we've monkeyed around with atoms and become "Homo Atomicus!" Even the smartest Orangutan will have a tough time coming to grips with modern physics, I think.

You are closer to modern thinking than you imagine. Quantum theory states that nothing of substance exists. In that point of view, all thought is merely random and meaningless. Anyone with any common sense does not agree. It's a sadly lacking commodity these days.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Can an incredibly complex creature just suddenly appear? 540 million years ago?

"The remarkable diversity of eyes among trilobites challenges evolutionary theory—not just because eyes popped into existence so suddenly (see Popeye Theory of Evolution, xx), but because each type is so different without transitional forms. One particular species had binocular vision with exceptional optics, so unusual that engineers at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) took a closer look. What they saw challenged them to see if they could achieve similar performance." Full article here: Trilobite Eye Dazzles Government Engineers – CEH

Darwin seemed far less convinced of his theory than modern science. How's this for a brain twister:

“… But I have had no practice in abstract reasoning and I may be all astray. Nevertheless you have expressed my inward conviction, though far more vividly and clearly than I could have done, that the Universe is not the result of chance. But then with me the horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man’s mind, which has been developed from the mind of the lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey’s mind, if there are any convictions in such a mind?…”

The convictions of man's mind include that he evolved from apes. Now if man's thinking is untrustworthy, how can evolution be trusted as a theory? After all, it is the product of human thinking. Yet vast amounts of effort and money are poured into evolution research and it is promoted as indisputable fact. Surely God's word applies, here, written nearly 2,000 years before Darwin:
Romans 1:
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but they became futile in their thinking and darkened in their foolish hearts. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images of mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

I also think that you're committing a fallacy by equivocating the act of idolizing creatures of nature as being gods with the modern act of qualifying that we human beings have evolved from more primal genetic ancestors.

 

[Aussie Pete]

I also think that you're committing a fallacy by equivocating the act of idoloizing creatures of nature for gods with the modern act of qualifying that we human being have evolved from more primal genetic ancestors.

I'm doing nothing but quote God's word. The important point is that rejecting God led to futile thinking and darkened hearts. When that was written, animal worship was common. Some societies still worship animals - Hindu and Buddhist, as well as the lunatic vegan fringe.

Evolution is the result of futile thinking. It is promoted by futile thought and embraced by darkened hearts.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

You are closer to modern thinking than you imagine. Quantum theory states that nothing of substance exists. In that point of view, all thought is merely random and meaningless. Anyone with any common sense does not agree. It's a sadly lacking commodity these days.

It's not just those with only "common sense" who disagree ... and it's when some physicists go overboard that I then politely inject the idea that we might read Lee Smolin's "The Trouble with Physics" ...

The point is, there are limits to how well we can articulate bona-fide explanations about our physical existence when so much of it is dancing around in a complex of competing theories in science.

 

[Aussie Pete]

An inquiry into the cause;
Rick Moran's Honey Do 'shrink the kids' may be a good scientific starting point of effectiveness or not.

I believe that the Evolution fairy sprinkled evodust on a puddle and voila! The ancestor of all life. Of course, it could have been Mary Poppins......

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I believe that the Evolution fairy sprinkled evodust on a puddle and voila! The ancestor of all life. Of course, it could have been Mary Poppins......

That's surprising, Pete. Because even I dont' believe that.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I'm doing nothing but quote God's word. The important point is that rejecting God led to futile thinking and darkened hearts. When that was written, animal worship was common. Some societies still worship animals - Hindu and Buddhist, as well as the lunatic vegan fringe.

No, you're doing eisegesis and applying a verse in an intercontextual way that doesn't quit fully "fit." You're just attempting to force fit it.

Sure, I agree with you that many of today's skeptical scientists go overboard in dismissing the Bible. I get that. But that doesn't mean that the ToE is also--or even automatically--that kind of thinking.

Evolution is the result of futile thinking. It is promoted by futile thought and embraced by darkened hearts.

No, the Theory of Evolution doesn't automatically mean that life on earth began without the imposition or creative power of an Intelligence, such as that of the Lord. The Theory of Evolution only becomes a problem when some skeptical person then attempts to imply by 'fiat-of-mouth' that it automatically means there is no God and no God needed. They don't actually know that they know that. They're attempting an inference but failing to admit that that is indeed what they're doing.

 

[Neostarwcc]

Can an incredibly complex creature just suddenly appear? 540 million years ago?

"The remarkable diversity of eyes among trilobites challenges evolutionary theory—not just because eyes popped into existence so suddenly (see Popeye Theory of Evolution, xx), but because each type is so different without transitional forms. One particular species had binocular vision with exceptional optics, so unusual that engineers at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) took a closer look. What they saw challenged them to see if they could achieve similar performance." Full article here: Trilobite Eye Dazzles Government Engineers – CEH

Darwin seemed far less convinced of his theory than modern science. How's this for a brain twister:

“… But I have had no practice in abstract reasoning and I may be all astray. Nevertheless you have expressed my inward conviction, though far more vividly and clearly than I could have done, that the Universe is not the result of chance. But then with me the horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man’s mind, which has been developed from the mind of the lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey’s mind, if there are any convictions in such a mind?…”

The convictions of man's mind include that he evolved from apes. Now if man's thinking is untrustworthy, how can evolution be trusted as a theory? After all, it is the product of human thinking. Yet vast amounts of effort and money are poured into evolution research and it is promoted as indisputable fact. Surely God's word applies, here, written nearly 2,000 years before Darwin:
Romans 1:
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but they became futile in their thinking and darkened in their foolish hearts. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images of mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

What is stupid is that evolution vs creationism shouldn't even be debated. The Bible says the Earth and universe were created in six days and that should clench it. Thanks to the gospels we know how many generations have existed since the time of Adam to Jesus. Take those generations and add roughly 2,000 years since Christ was born and died and you've got how old the Earth and universe was then. Especially when Adam was created on day 6.


The problem is Christians that hold onto evolution either don't believe the Bible is correct or that it doesn't fully mean what it says. I'm sorry, something written by God cannot ever be wrong or with error. Otherwise we're calling God a liar and that's dangerous territory i don't want to get involved in.

 

[Sorn]

Yay for another creation news site - they would get a nobel if they could prove anything that they claim. Which they of course can't.

Anyway, since they were talking about eagle eyes how come eagles get better eyes than we do ? The crown of creation. Seems odd.

Try not to let this sort of thing ruffle your feathers!

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

I believe that the Evolution fairy sprinkled evodust on a puddle and voila! The ancestor of all life. Of course, it could have been Mary Poppins......

Or just Tinkerbell.

 

[Homeowner]

Try not to let this sort of thing ruffle your feathers!

Yeah , birds get those too. So unfair.

 

[Homeowner]

The Bible says the Earth and universe were created in six days and that should clench it.

It is really not quite that simple. Why should other people believe you especially when scientific evidence says otherwise.

List of creation myths - Wikipedia

A creation myth (or creation story) is a cultural, religious or traditional myth which describes the earliest beginnings of the present world. Creation myths are the most common form of myth, usually developing first in oral traditions, and are found throughout human culture. A creation myth is usually regarded by those who subscribe to it as conveying profound truths, though not necessarily in a historical or literal sense.

 

[SkyWriting]

Can an incredibly complex creature just suddenly appear? 540 million years ago?

I don't know the timing, but simple forms of life have no bones, which is the basis for most fossils.
So logically, any forms of early life would have little, if no traces.

 

[SkyWriting]

What is stupid is that evolution vs creationism shouldn't even be debated. The Bible says the Earth and universe were created in six days and that should clench it.

More likely just the Garden, and even then it was not all that physical.