evolution/creation question

[gluadys]

I would ask yoou for your references...but I know you won't be able to produce them.

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/historyoflife/histoflife.html

http://tolweb.org/tree/phylogeny.html


Have fun reading.

 

[Ark-Guy]

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/historyoflife/histoflife.html

http://tolweb.org/tree/phylogeny.html


Have fun reading.

I looked and did not find a reference pertaining to the topic of our discussion. My guess, you just presented these links with out reading them yourself.

Just what part of the links did you intend as the references?

 

[Curt]

Not so. The fossil record does not show ALL species appearing within a week either recently or anciently. Instead different species appear at different times and those times can be millions, hundreds of millions, even billions of years apart.

Yes, on occasion, many new species appear for the first time in the same time-frame. But these are still very different from species which appeared earlier and species which appeared later.

A lot of new species appear in the Cambrian, but a lot of species appeared long before the Cambrian, and the Cambrian species are all very different from the species of the Quaternary.

Nothing you posted suggests that this is untrue. The appearance of new forms is a process that spans many ages. In any one age, the species that appear in that age may appear "suddenly". But that is an entirely different thing than saying all species appeared within a week.

2 Tim 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Pet 1:20
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2 Sam 14:14
14 For we must needs die, and are as water spilt on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again; neither doth God respect any person: yet doth he devise means, that his banished be not expelled from him.
Job 37:24
24 Men do therefore fear him: he respecteth not any that are wise of heart.

Reply,

The evolutionists are promoting lies which are totaly made up by mans imagination, and all there proofs are Fabrications created for the purpose of supporting the lie. Real science has proven their fabrications, and scientists are abandoning that camp by numbers. God is the only expert on this issue of creation and He wrote it in The Bible, and I would not want to be in any of the shoes of those who call themselves Christians, and would support, anything to do with creation other that what God says about it. You are going to have the pleasure of telling God how that He was unable to communicate that to us without their help.

 

[Captain_Jack_Sparrow]

I should be noted that Curt often posts delusions.

As a working scientist in US academia I can tell you right now that not only are scientists not leaving the 'camp' by numbers most of them are not even familiar with the debate. They think this issue was settled a century or more ago and don't even deign to take part thinking it is beneath them.

Apart from the occasionally reporting of an educational reform in Bible Belt states this debate is not even a blip on the science radar.

 

[Bulldog]

You can believe that the Bible is infallibel, and be a theistic evolutionists. Many people do and are.

 

[Curt]

I should be noted that Curt often posts delusions.

As a working scientist in US academia I can tell you right now that not only are scientists not leaving the 'camp' by numbers most of them are not even familiar with the debate. They think this issue was settled a century or more ago and don't even deign to take part thinking it is beneath them.

Apart from the occasionally reporting of an educational reform in Bible Belt states this debate is not even a blip on the science radar.

2 Tim 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Pet 1:20
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2 Sam 14:14
14 For we must needs die, and are as water spilt on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again; neither doth God respect any person: yet doth he devise means, that his banished be not expelled from him.
Job 37:24
24 Men do therefore fear him: he respecteth not any that are wise of heart.

Reply

That's the best news about scientists I have heard in a long time. But the ones I was referring to were those who did belong to the evolutionist camp. I also want to thank you for your fleshly reaction to what I post. It means The Truth is doing what The Truth does. The worldly wise have been calling God's circumcised in the heart Spirit filled Children all kinds of names for all time when they present God's Truth, and it is an honor to be included in that camp.

 

[Curt]

2 Tim 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Pet 1:20
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2 Sam 14:14
14 For we must needs die, and are as water spilt on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again; neither doth God respect any person: yet doth he devise means, that his banished be not expelled from him.
Job 37:24
24 Men do therefore fear him: he respecteth not any that are wise of heart.

Quote:
You can believe that the Bible is infallibel, and be a theistic evolutionists. Many people do and are.

Reply

If one believes The Bible is infallible They couldn't be a Theistic evolutionist, because they are adding something to The Bible, and in so doing are taking away from God's Word on How He created everything. God esteems His word higher than Himself.

 

[Bushido216]

Curt, if we aren't supposed to add to God's word, how do you fit the Gospels into your plan?

By the way, you should know that most people skip right over your posts.

 

[Bulldog]

If one believes The Bible is infallible They couldn't be a Theistic evolutionist, because they are adding something to The Bible, and in so doing are taking away from God's Word on How He created everything. God esteems His word higher than Himself.

The Bible isn't a science book. There are many things we know that were not revelaed to the Bible because that is not the Bible's purpose. And by "God's Word on How He created everything: are you referring to Genesis.

 

[Bushido216]

If I misquoted you then I apologize..but you should also realize that all though muttations do occur it is impossible for them to add up over time to produce the change the evos claim occured.


Just think about how many mutations were required to develope the echo-location system in the dolphin.

What makes you think that those mutations can't accumulate? Can you provide the mechanism preventing an accumulation of small changes?

 

[Curt]

2 Tim 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Pet 1:20
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2 Sam 14:14
14 For we must needs die, and are as water spilt on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again; neither doth God respect any person: yet doth he devise means, that his banished be not expelled from him.
Job 37:24
24 Men do therefore fear him: he respecteth not any that are wise of heart.

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Curt, if we aren't supposed to add to God's word, how do you fit the Gospels into your plan?
[I don't have to fit The Gospels into anything God has fit them into The Bible exactly where He wants them.]

By the way, you should know that most people skip right over your posts.
[Thats certainly their right, and it will not alter God's plan for His Truth to be proclaimed everywhere, and I just sew the seeds knowing that some of them will fall on stoney ground.]

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The Bible isn't a science book. There are many things we know that were not revelaed to the Bible because that is not the Bible's purpose.
[It doesn't have to be, God doesn't need science.]

And by "God's Word on How He created everything: are you referring to Genesis.
[Not only to Genesis but every where in The Bible where He tells about creation. It's found all through The Bible spoken by men who talked with God, The Prophets, psalmists, and others.

 

[gluadys]

I looked and did not find a reference pertaining to the topic of our discussion. My guess, you just presented these links with out reading them yourself.

Just what part of the links did you intend as the references?

I have read many pages on both sites. And almost all of them can be used as references. Every page that gives a history of the fossil record of any species supports my case that not all species came into existence simultaneously.

On the UCMP site, go through the geology wing to see which fossils are placed where in the fossil record. Go through the phylogeny wing, click on any group and you will get a page with with four buttons pointing to further information. One of them is named "fossil record". Go to that and see how far back that group dates in the fossil record and see how that corresponds with dates of other groups.

On the Tree of Life site, start at root and follow to any link you like. Many pages are not complete, but the pages that are complete all contain references to the fossil history of the species or group in question. Again compare dates.

There is a lot of information on both sites, and you can spend many hours browsing them.

 

[lucaspa]

Curt, if we aren't supposed to add to God's word, how do you fit the Gospels into your plan?
[I don't have to fit The Gospels into anything God has fit them into The Bible exactly where He wants them.]

They are not in the Jewish Bible. Also, compare the Catholic and Protestant Bibles. They have different books.

Curt, remember the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is around to help us deal with situations that Bible doesn't talk about. For instance, there is a huge debate on reproductive cloning going on. Does the Bible mention that?

In another example, the Bible condones slavery. Yet Christians have decided that slavery is wrong. Now, if you can't add or change "God's word", how could we have abolished slavery?

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The Bible isn't a science book. There are many things we know that were not revelaed to the Bible because that is not the Bible's purpose.
[It doesn't have to be, God doesn't need science.]

Denying God again. Not good, Curt. Think about it. What is science? It is the study of the physical universe. Who created the physical universe? God, right? What science studies is God's second book. Christians have long said this. Where have you been? Off worshipping your false idol of the Bible?

And by "God's Word on How He created everything: are you referring to Genesis.
[Not only to Genesis but every where in The Bible where He tells about creation. It's found all through The Bible spoken by men who talked with God, The Prophets, psalmists, and others.

Most places it simply says "God created" without giving a how. In fact, only in Genesis 1-3 are we given a how -- well, actually two hows. There are some NT passages referring to Genesis 1-3 but they aren't telling us how God created. They are only using the stories as stories to make another point.