Evolution=Atheism

[AV1611VET]

And, even if we're not smart enough to understand the origin of life, that doesn't mean that some god did it.

If it was determined that God did it, who would have the final say?

The common people or the scientists?

 

[RickG]

The common people or the scientists?

Are you saying common people can't be scientists and scientists can't be common people?

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you saying common people can't be scientists and scientists can't be common people?

Yup ... just as I figured.

You guys want to argue the question.

Made a good point, didn't I?

(Praise the LORD.)

 

[Loudmouth]

Don't forget that the Earth had billions of years and numerous environments to create life, while scientists have only been trying since the 1950's.

The Earth also had a million fold more molecules and volume to work with. On top of that, the chances of abiogenesis occuring through natural processes is spread across all planets in the unvierse.

 

[AV1611VET]

On top of that, the chances of abiogenesis occuring through natural processes is spread across all planets in the unvierse.

Including Pluto?

 

[RickG]

Yup ... just as I figured.

You guys want to argue the question.

Made a good point, didn't I?

(Praise the LORD.)

Argue what question?

 

[Split Rock]

That's right.

So let's put this verse in context.

Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

How many right here on CF have ... like you ... professed to be a Christian at one time, but "had questions his pastor couldn't answer"?

(I believe it was a priest, in your case?)

You, of all people, should understand that passage.

I was referring to people here who are still Christian, and accept the theory of evolution. Also, The theory of evolution had nothing to do with why I no longer consider myself a Christian.

There's more to it than just calling oneself by that moniker.

That just starts the process.

Like I said, not everyone ends up like that ... but they run the risk.

You are way too fixated on names.

 

[Dizredux]

Including Pluto?

When you find a point you like, you just never let go, do you? Just curious, can you show me the physical changes that happened to Pluto when it was no longer classified as a planet.

Names are labels, nothing else.

Dizredux

 

[Loudmouth]

Including Pluto?

Including any rocky body that could potentially produce life. We should include comets, meteors, and yes, even dwarf planets like Pluto.

 

[RickG]

Including Pluto?

Science changes to fit the facts. YEC changes the science to fit their beliefs.

 

[selfinflikted]

Contrary to YEC, I prefer regard God's evidence over the written word of man, of which there have been many hands involved.

Though my opinion doesn't amount to a hill of beans on this subject, I think you are doing it right here. Wouldn't the evidence always trump what an ancient tome says, anyway? Some people have elevated the Bible to a god-like status, or even higher. It almost seems like some people here worship the Bible as their god, instead of their god.

 

[Loudmouth]

Though my opinion doesn't amount to a hill of beans on this subject, I think you are doing it right here. Wouldn't the evidence always trump what an ancient tome says, anyway? Some people have elevated the Bible to a god-like status, or even higher. It almost seems like some people here worship the Bible as their god, instead of their god.

By extension, they worship the men who wrote the Bible. Christianity, for some, has turned into the worship of men.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Edit: was given some information which made me conclude my post might have been very innapropriate.
So i removed it.

 

[Strathos]

Does that surprise you?

Paul warned about that very thing.

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Calling yourselves Homo sapiens (wise men) can lead to atheism.

Not all the time, but they that do that are putting themselves at risk.

Funny, I've been a TE ever since I was old enough to understand the concept, and never tempted to deconvert.

Everyone in my church (at least, that I know of) is a TE, and they are as observant as any other Christians. I think in the past 15 years I've only heard of one person leaving my church because of a deconversion, and he deconverted to deism.

It's my observation that the more likely path to atheism is for a child to be indoctrinated in creationism and science denial, so when they grow up and actually research these things for themselves, they'll realize they were being lied to about evolution, the scientific method, the age of the earth and the universe, etc. and think "If my parents/teachers/pastor lied to me about all of that, then they must have lied to me about God too!".

The majority of atheists I've talked too were once fundamentalist creationists.

YEC and most other forms of creationism are ultimately harmful to Christianity.

 

[RickG]

Funny, I've been a TE ever since I was old enough to understand the concept, and never tempted to deconvert.

Everyone in my church (at least, that I know of) is a TE, and they are as observant as any other Christians. I think in the past 15 years I've only heard of one person leaving my church because of a deconversion, and he deconverted to deism.

It's my observation that the more likely path to atheism is for a child to be indoctrinated in creationism and science denial, so when they grow up and actually research these things for themselves, they'll realize they were being lied to about evolution, the scientific method, the age of the earth and the universe, etc. and think "If my parents/teachers/pastor lied to me about all of that, then they must have lied to me about God too!".

The majority of atheists I've talked too were once fundamentalist creationists.

YEC and most other forms of creationism are ultimately harmful to Christianity.

Amen! Can I get a witness?

 

[Loudmouth]

Funny, I've been a TE ever since I was old enough to understand the concept, and never tempted to deconvert.

Would you say that you are also a theistic chemist, a theistic physicist, etc.?

I do find it interesting that those christians who speak so fervently against theistic evolution are more than willing to see God in nature while also accepting scientific theories that do not overtly include God. It would seem that they have singled out evolution.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I love how when people keep thinking evolution will make people atheist, they think purely in terms of their own religion, as if there aren't religions in which evolution itself doesn't clash with literal interpretations so much.

 

[Oncedeceived]

I love how when people keep thinking evolution will make people atheist, they think purely in terms of their own religion, as if there aren't religions in which evolution itself doesn't clash with literal interpretations so much.

Such as?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Such as?

Theistic Buddhism.

 

[AV1611VET]

I love how when people keep thinking evolution will make people atheist,

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Paul didn't say he thought they might become atheists (I did), Paul said they did become atheists.

Paul wasn't guessing, he was stating a direct observation.

Putting it in terms you guys can deny: Paul was there.

And since the Bible was written for our admonition and learning, I stated that Paul was giving us a warning not to consider ourselves Homo sapiens, or it could lead to atheism.

You can choose not to believe that, if you want to; but if I see someone here give his testimony that he was once a Christian until science "opened his eyes" ... I tend to think: Paul warned you.