Evolution as a theory of creation is a JOKE

[IzzyPop]

Surely you cannot be serious, I suspect you have no idea how science works,

My degree with the word 'Science' in it most likely disagrees with you.

more importantly you have no idea how evolutionary philosophy works.

I have no idea what evolutionary philosophy is. Can you educate me?

It is pointless engaging a self proclaimed evolutionist in discussion about whether the TOE is true. The reply is likely to be that the theory is the best explanation we have,and therefore it is our closest approximation to the truth.

That would be correct.

Naturalistic evolution is the only conceivable explanation for life, and so the fact that life exists proves it to be true.

What, exactly, does evolution have to say about how life started?

Trusting an ordained evolutionary scientist in running an experiment to disprove evolution is not dissimilar to trusting a politician with your money.

Last time I checked, scientists were not ordained. And every experiment is designed to disprove what ever it is testing. This sentence is just more evidence that you have no idea of how science works.

 

[MoonLancer]

Originally Posted by IzzyPop

You really don't know how science works, do you? Every experiment run is not to prove evolution, it is to disprove it. It just hasn't happened.
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Surely you cannot be serious, I suspect you have no idea how science works,more importantly you have no idea how evolutionary philosophy works.

care to back up this claim. you avoided it once. this is your second try.

 

[AV1611VET]

I hope you TEs realize that, in God's eyes, there's no such thing as abiogenesis.

 

[Cabal]

I hope you TEs realize that, in God's eyes, there's no such thing as abiogenesis.

Remind me what Adam was made out of again?

 

[MoonLancer]

I hope you TEs realize that, in God's eyes, there's no such thing as abiogenesis.

oh? so you speak for god? how did you ever manage to become an avatar of a god and remain so ignorant?


you really mean in "in my eyes" do you not?

 

[AV1611VET]

Remind me what Adam was made out of again?

Dust.

 

[Cabal]

Dust.

Care to revise your statement then?

 

[AV1611VET]

Care to revise your statement then?

No, I sure don't.

From THE LIFE --- came life.

 

[Cabal]

No, I sure don't.

From THE LIFE --- came life.

I see, and you've decided for all Christendom that this is literal and not an analogy then?

Cheers for that.

 

[Hespera]

The LIFE.

interesting thought, that god is "alive". I have heard that he has hands, eyes, gets angry and vindictive, and that he looks like us.

almost anthropomorphic.

the word "alive" must need some serious work, in the religious usage. From juv we learn that "a plant is not a life".

What does a person and god have in common that makes them both 'alive"?

 

[gaara4158]

I hope you TEs realize that, in God's eyes, there's no such thing as abiogenesis.

Sure there is; God creating life from non-life is still abiogenesis.

 

[ranmaonehalf]

I SAY POE. often the low post count is a good hint.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sure there is; God creating life from non-life is still abiogenesis.

No --- God gave life TO the dust --- abiogenesis says life came FROM the dust.

And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

 

[Split Rock]

Surely you cannot be serious, I suspect you have no idea how science works,more importantly you have no idea how evolutionary philosophy works.

I think a real scientist such as myself knows more about science than you do.

It is pointless engaging a self proclaimed evolutionist in discussion about whether the TOE is true.

It is pointless if all you have is rhetoric.

The reply is likely to be that the theory is the best explanation we have,and therefore it is our closest approximation to the truth.

Hey... very good! I agree with this statement. You are learning something gere afterall. I had given up all hope.

Naturalistic evolution is the only conceivable explanation for life, and so the fact that life exists proves it to be true.

Not quite right. The fact that evolution explains the diversity and distribution of life on earth, proves it to be true ("true" in a colloquial sense). Also, all science is "naturalistic."

Trusting an ordained evolutionary scientist in running an experiment to disprove evolution is not dissimilar to trusting a politician with your money.

1. Scientists are not "ordained." Poor attempt at an ad hominem.
2. You trust politicians with your money all the time.

Scientific knowledge relating to the wonders of biology, is knowledge par excellence insofar as it is actually knowledge of nature.

Yes: I agree again!

Evolutionary dogma is rather more complex than of a single scientific fact or hypothesis. It is a belief involving many spheres of thought and by no means just science.

Evolutionary theory is no dogma. It changes over time as we learn more. Dogmas do not change. Tell us us also how it goes beyong just science.

 

[Split Rock]

Evolution doesn't exist.

Strange that we see it working all the time then.

Everything mates according to it's own kind.

Define "kind" for me please.

Never do you see one dog even remotely looking like another species, and that isn't going to change anytime soon.

Wrong. They look an awful lot like wolves, coyotes, dingos, hyeanas and foxes.

Nor will one-cells tinier than a hair on your arm eventually grow into the size of giraffes.

Why should it?

Evolution is a lie about the flesh dude, straight from The Devil, to take your mind off the Spirit.

Rhetoric.

 

[gaara4158]

No --- God gave life TO the dust --- abiogenesis says life came FROM the dust.

Not at all. Abiogenesis is just the advent of life not via biological reproduction. Doesn't matter how it happened, it happened one way or another.

 

[Cabal]

No --- God gave life TO the dust --- abiogenesis says life came FROM the dust.

Silly me, what was my earlier objection for?

Literalist approach: God gives life to the inanimate by breathing on it.
TE approach: God gives life to the inanimate through his ordained natural process of chemistry.

You were just incorrect, AV, but never mind, eh?

 

[Hespera]

Originally Posted by RyanLeeParis

Evolution is a lie about the flesh dude, straight from The Devil, to take your mind off the Spirit.



This quote (especially the 'dude') and av's cartoon

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Perfectly express the depth and wisdom of creationism. Thanks, uh, "dudes".

 

[thaumaturgy]

Surely you cannot be serious, I suspect you have no idea how science works

There is a very well known concept in science called "falsifiability". Now certainly most experiments are run to prove out an hypothesis, however for an hypothesis to be valid, it must carry with it the means by which it can be proven false.

In statistical hypothesis testing we start with a "null hypothesis" (ie "no effect") and test against that null. Failure to find sufficient evidence to reject the null hypothesis results in a mere failure to reject the null.

In the case of evolution, this is a somewhat different area of science in that it is more "forensic" in nature. I am not a biologist, I am a geologist/chemist, so I am speaking a bit out of school on this. There are folks on here who will be able to provide current day observations of evolution in action, but fundamentally we see:

1. evidence of life changing over time (that's the fossil record)
2. mechanisms by which life can change (genetic drift and genetic mutation)
3. evidence of those changes
4. sufficient time for those changes to occur (geologic history)
5. a passive filter to remove mal-adapted forms(natural selection)

So, given all that data do we then assume there is a process called "evolution" which:

explains the change in life over time utilizing genetic drift, genetic mutation and a passive filter to weed out the mal-adapted lifeforms

OR

do we assume that these things are just "happenstance" and that in reality there's an invisible being that no one can really agree upon across the board who exists outside of space and time and who, through an unknowable will and incomprehensible means created each new life form to just happen to fit into a given ecological niche and that being only wants for us to worship and love him with all our hearts?

Is that "how science works"?

The reply is likely to be that the theory is the best explanation we have,and therefore it is our closest approximation to the truth.

You do realize that this is precisely how science works, right? I mean you do realize that everything we do is our best approximation model using known factors, right?

Naturalistic evolution is the only conceivable explanation for life, and so the fact that life exists proves it to be true.

All you need to do is:

• Prove God beyond a reasonable doubt
• Explain how God works in detail
• "Model" the "God Factor" such that it can be used to explain the data in the most parsimonious way

You do that you will have an exceptionally interesting scientific hypothesis. You will also do that which no human has been able to do sufficiently across the board since the dawn of time.

I wish you the best of luck.

Trusting an ordained evolutionary scientist in running an experiment to disprove evolution is not dissimilar to trusting a politician with your money.

Trusting a scientist who agrees to not bias the observations and experimental analyses is the only way this whole thing works. It's kind of the fundamental key to how "science works".

 

[thaumaturgy]

No --- God gave life TO the dust --- abiogenesis says life came FROM the dust.

Wow. That's a new level of "hyperlegalism" even for you, AV. Are you going for the Pharisee Degree (PhD)?



(Why did God have to use dust anyway? Was he too weakened to make a being out of nothing after doing it for each of the previous days of the Creation Week?)