Evolution - and their take over/destruction of science

[Larniavc]

Religion that discriminates, belittles, dehumanize

Which is the religion that forces people to accept that they are fallen broken sinners who deserve to be eternally tortured who cannot possibly be decent worthy people without help from said religion?

 

[Arius]

Does it ever occur to you that it could possibly the case that you don’t have a better understanding of biology than all the universities and scientific organisations of the world?

Understanding of Biology has nothing to do with claiming that skull and bones dug up from graves is proof I evolved from a gorilla, and that I am now an animal of some family of apes!

Stop equating the dangerous Satanic Evolution with science. I would never go to a surgeon, or doctor that believes I am an animal, .. and of course there are none. They know to separate their religious beliefs, from real biology, .. thank God.

That's just like no one would actually hire a Pilot who believes the Earth is a ball. Can you imagine flying over 300 miles and hour and having this Big-Banger adjust for the 8" squared per mile drop for the curvature of the earth? My God, he would crash into the ground on the first trip!

Let's be real now. You know what happens to people who take their religious beliefs too far don't you?

 

[klutedavid]

I felt the tug on the line.

We can see that Humankind has the necessary intelligence to understand space time sufficient that our theories about it can make accurate predictions. At present we appear to have a very good understanding of space time, and there is no obvious limit being approached concerning how deep our understanding can go.

Not sure that your opinion is a valid opinion. The current theory is String theory, which implies multiple universes, are you sure that the primate can understand everything?

Feel free to explain the mathematics of the theory of relativity to us. Perhaps you can break new ground in sub atomic physics, they seem to have hit a brick wall. In attempting to understand these exotic entities, I have heard it said, that our mathematics is insufficient to understand the results of the Large Hadron collider.

If you do your research you will discover that there are paradoxes, littered through our present understanding of the universe.

You'd have to define what you mean by 'exactly in the same manner'. Some things are the same, some things are different. We can look at volcanoes today and then look at the remains of ancient volcanoes, and this is good evidence that vulcanism works by the same process now that it did in the distant past. However, bombardment of the earth by meteors happens far less frequently now than in the past. So that is changed. Perhaps you need to define exactly which events you mean.

The size and rate of volcanism appears to have been larger in the past. The largest eruptions we know of all occurred millions of years ago. Is geology sufficient in itself to decipher the rate and scale of volcanism in the distant past?

We have good theories of physics, good because they have predicational accuracy and have survived many attempts to disprove them, that say that the speed of light is a constant in an unchanging medium. Note that as a bland statement 'the speed of light is a constant' is not true, as light moves at different speeds in different mediums. E.g. it is much slower in glass than it would be in a vacuum. It appears that there may be other things that can affect the speed of light.

The theory of relativity can make accurate predictions, yet ToE breaks down as you approach the singularity. The ToE also fails at the sub atomic level. It is not whether a theory can accurately predict events, the theory must cover all the bases. Hence, we have a new theory, String theory, a possible theory of everything.

This is a reasonable assumption given that there is no evidence of such Gods or such a spiritual realm, and that we understand the tendency of human beings to create religion, and that these religions are not fixed (as they would be if due to divine revelation), but differ in different cultures and change over time as they would do if they were myths. If you feel that there are Gods and/or a spiritual realm, then perhaps you could provide objective verifiable evidence that supports this.

We definitely have evidence for the existence of God, even observations, here is what He looks like.

I lifted my eyes and looked, and behold, there was a certain man dressed in linen, whose waist was girded with a belt of pure gold of Uphaz. His body also was like beryl, his face had the appearance of lightning, his eyes were like flaming torches, his arms and feet like the gleam of polished bronze, and the sound of his words like the sound of a tumult.
(Danial 10:5-6)

As we invented mathematics and as part of that defined what is true and what is not, the axioms of mathematics are true. However, the mathematics that we have developed has proved stupendously effective in understanding and predicting the world. Can you suggest any way in which our mathematics could be changed to better match reality? If not, what is the point of raising this?

It cannot be known whether mathematical axioms are true, that is why they are called axioms.

Here is an axiom.

Between any two points there exists a straight line.

This is an imaginary axiom, space time is curved and straight lines do not exist in reality.

Even circles do not exist in space time, it is all in your mind.

I can see that. Taking a wild guess, I suspect that you wish to maintain having issues with every discipline of science so that you can maintain your beliefs, even though if you wanted to your issues could easily be solved by actually understanding science.

Science is an attempt to understand space time by employing observation, measurement, testing, e.t.c. Science is assuming that all space time is an observable reality, the last fifty years in science is teaching us that it may not be comprehensible.

 

[Arius]

Yes.

The message is a foolish message.

1 Corinthians 1:18
For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

Lol, .. Ah, got me there, I just never had anyone put it like that. So true though, .. God bless you for keeping my mind sharpened, I like it.

 

[bhsmte]

I think your usual “lol” would be more appropriate on this thread.

I like to keep them guessing.

 

[Arius]

Yup; that's what the axioms of a formal logical or mathematical system are by definition - statements or propositions that are true in that system.

Exactly, like the mathematics of the Big-Banged vacuum universe expanding in ___?___ which was the size of a baseball, then a pinhead, down to the first microseconds of it's birth works in that system, which has nothing to do with reality. Math works in math.

 

[Arius]

Some people don't seem to realize that Nazis and Communists were complete opposites.

Really?
Both are a totalitarian One World Order regime, both base, and justify their ideology on Evolution, both caused millions and millions of deaths through genocide, .. so how are they complete opposites? They complement each other.

 

[Arius]

Look at the bolded part. If you claim that those two people are different species, then you're an idiot.

Yes, only an idiot would claim such things, like the ring species. But here they are none the less.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Yes, only an idiot would claim such things, like the ring species. But here they are none the less.

Except only a complete idiot would say that a Nazi and a black girl are two different species! No-one is claiming that they are except you!

 

[klutedavid]

Which is the religion that forces people to accept that they are fallen broken sinners who deserve to be eternally tortured who cannot possibly be decent worthy people without help from said religion?

I don't know whether people are tortured for eternity, I doubt whether that Biblical interpretation is true. In some places in the scripture people are destroyed, they no longer exist.

I do know that heaven is a perfect place, imperfect people cannot gain entry to heaven.

Decent people do exist, I have met some very decent folk, even at times I am a very decent person myself. Though, there are times when my behavior is unsatisfactory and I am haunted by some things I have done in the past.

What I find the most difficult about religion, is loving others as I love myself. That is impossible for me, I too easily see the faults in others, I just constantly correct stupidity. I don't know whether the universe is infinite, but mankind's stupidity is infinite.

 

[Arius]

No, it's a lie. You have provided ZERO evidence throughout this thread, only your own insipid claims, your outrageous lies about the theory of evolution and your stunningly poor grasp of both history and science.
Like the claim that evolution is similar to Satan worship? A classic case of someone who knows absolutely nothing about evolution trying to stroke his own ego.

They both are atheistic in their beliefs, they both rob graves and have this infatuation with skull & bones, they both discriminate against the darker skinned humans, they both justify lawlessness and support the "Do As Thou Wilt" ideology where you take no responsibility for your actions (my environment caused, or commanded me to do it),

Man is the result of a purposeless and materialistic process that did not have him in mind. He was not planned. - Gaylord Simpson

George - Wikipedia Gaylord_Simpson (notice the black cat on his shoulder in the picture!?)

they both worship pagan gods (see CERN Shiva, the god of destruction)

You call the above celebrating science and technology?

How about this? CERN's LHC science at its best, or is this some kind of Luciferian worship?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

They both are atheistic in their beliefs, they both rob graves and have this infatuation with skull & bones, they both discriminate against the darker skinned humans, they both justify lawlessness and support the "Do As Thou Wilt" ideology where you take no responsibility for your actions (my environment caused, or commanded me to do it),

Where does evolution say that it's right to discriminate against darker skinned people?
Where does evolution justify lawlessness and support the "Do as Thou Wilt" ideology?
Where does evolution tell people to excuse their actions with "My environment caused/commanded me to do it"?

I charge you to find me quotes in ANY scientific literature about evolution or in any of Darwin's works that support these claims, or you must retract these claims and say that you lied, like an honest person would.

Also, if you call archaeologists 'grave robbers', what do you call the people who try and find historical figures mentioned in the Bible or any other historical characters? Because if you don't call them grave robbers, then you are a bloody big hypocrite!

 

[Arius]

Mostly, that paragraph is correct.

So a population is not made of individuals? The population evolves, but not the individual?

This is better than what you were saying before. Which was asking to see one parent give birth to a different species.

If they don't it means they remain the same species, over the entire, 4.2, .. sorry, let's half that, over the 2.1 billion years. When does your evolution/speciation occur then?
Never mind, .. in the graves, them skull&bones and fossils do all the evolving/transitioning/speciating, right?

So, yes, 4.2 billion years is long enough. The first amoeba was approximately 2.1 Billion years ago, so it appears that only half that time was required.

Still, for any Evolutionist scientist observing speciation that never happens for 2.1 billion years is a long time. So how does speciation from one species into a different species happen, if for the entire 2.1 billion years it never happens, since no parent will give rise to a different species in their lifetime. Which is generation after generation, over the 2.1 billion years they remain amoeba!?

You are agreeing with me. I'm not sure why you are doing it in such a manner as you are. However, I'm happy that you are agreeing with me. However, let's see what happens next.

How about answer the question, then we can go on to what I ask next?
If a distinct species of animal remain that same distinct species of animal (like a gorilla you guys agree remain gorilla) for the entire 2.1 billion years of evolution, then when does a specific population of animal ever change into another distinct species of animal?

I think that you bringing out and out racism into this discussion is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself. Hence, I bow out of this discussion now as I have no wish to interact with people such as you.

The entire concept of Evolution was derived from racism, so you don't like anyone point that FACT out to you?
This is exactly how I used to respond to atheists when I was a Christian, and couldn't defend my Religious beliefs and their gods that I have sworn to follow unquestionably (on blind faith).

I am truly sorry to see you quit my friend, because I know what it is to hide from the light, I was brought up in a strict Christian Religious sect, where questioning the faith meant showing weakness.
And this BB-Evolution Religion is just another denomination of my old Christian Religion, supported and even created by the same people who created the Christian Religion.

God bless you.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The entire concept of Evolution was derived from racism, so you don't like anyone point that FACT out to you?

NO IT WASN'T!

 

[Arius]

I don't know whether people are tortured for eternity, I doubt whether that Biblical interpretation is true. In some places in the scripture people are destroyed, they no longer exist.

I do know that heaven is a perfect place, imperfect people cannot gain entry to heaven.

Decent people do exist, I have met some very decent folk, even at times I am a very decent person myself. Though, there are times when my behavior is unsatisfactory and I am haunted by some things I have done in the past.

What I find the most difficult about religion, is loving others as I love myself. That is impossible for me, I too easily see the faults in others, I just constantly correct stupidity. I don't know whether the universe is infinite, but mankind's stupidity is infinite.

Hey David, why not try loving others as yourself outside of Religion, through Christ!?

Religion is where all the stupidity arise, because we can't question it. Remember the faith that Religions require? "Blind Faith", .. otherwise no Religion would survive.

Like this Evolution Religion where they openly admit that evolution/speciation of one distinct species never changes/morphs into another distinct species no matter how long they've been evolving, yet look at what they continue to claim:

Evolution From APE TO MAN Documentary HD

 

[Speedwell]

Really?
Both are a totalitarian One World Order regime, both base, and justify their ideology on Evolution, both caused millions and millions of deaths through genocide, .. so how are they complete opposites? They complement each other.

The Nazis had their own straw-man version of the theory (not the real thing) and the Soviet Union outlawed the works of Darwin and his successors altogether.

 

[Larniavc]

I evolved from a gorilla

But you didn’t. How many times do you need to be told that?

What is wrong with you?

 

[Larniavc]

The theory of relativity can make accurate predictions, yet ToE breaks down as you approach the singularity. The ToE also fails at the sub atomic level. It is not whether a theory can accurately predict events, the theory must cover all the bases. Hence, we have a new theory, String theory, a possible theory of everything.

All of that is wrong. For a start ToE has nothing to do with the sub atomic level.

 

[Larniavc]

Both are a totalitarian One World Order regime, both base, and justify their ideology on Evolutio

Did you know Soviet Russia carried out a political program denying ToE?

No, of course you didn’t.

 

[Speedwell]

So a population is not made of individuals? The population evolves, but not the individual?

That's right. the population evolves, but each individual pretty much stays the same its whole life--not quite the same as its parents and not quite the same as its offspring...
the parents give birth to a slightly different offspring, which gives birth in turn to a slightly different offspring and so on, over and over until one day biologists notice that the resultant offspring is so different from its original ancestor that it is convenient to regard it as a new species.