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Evolution - and their take over/destruction of science

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It's history, .. as I have shown clips of it.
This is debate, not nice to call someone's posts "a complete and utter lie" without showing how it is a lie.
Take the evidence I have provided about this Evolution Religions history, and show us how it has nothing to do with my statement?
Why don't you start an OP something like: "Can Creationists show similarities in Satan worship and Evolution theory?"
Let me know if you do, and I will be glad to show the striking similarities between the two from historical evidence.

No, it's a lie. You have provided ZERO evidence throughout this thread, only your own insipid claims, your outrageous lies about the theory of evolution and your stunningly poor grasp of both history and science.
Like the claim that evolution is similar to Satan worship? A classic case of someone who knows absolutely nothing about evolution trying to stroke his own ego.
 
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I have shown the hundreds of years history of this atheistic/grave robbing, skull & bones worshipping/Nazi/Communistic Religion hiding under the umbrella of science you call Evolution Theory, and I agree, .. it is horrible! I am sorry that the truth about the history of this dangerous Religion is accusatory and distasteful, but we Believers must do our best to uncover the truth about it before the writings in the Georgia Guide Stones becomes a reality, where from the 7 billion people we have living on the earth today, only half a billion of self-identified superior-race of whites are to remain.
You do know that’s actually the plot of Moonraker?

Less tele for you, I think.
 
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It's funny that, throughout this whole thread, not once has it been shown how the theory of evolution is 'destroying' science.
That’s because hypothesis testing has been destroyed by evolution.
 
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@klutedavid - A foolish message laced with divine power to save anyone stupid enough to put their trust in His Son.

Wow, .. this is another reason I love Debating Forums, how differently people could express themselves, and throw you into a spin. I have no idea where you stand with the Gospels??

Wait, .. you said: "A clever God who new exactly what He was doing when He came to visit us." which means you are a Trinitarian, correct?
Yes.

The message is a foolish message.

1 Corinthians 1:18
For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
 
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The problem here is that the bolded bit (your emphasis) shows that you don't understand evolution.

You complain that people tell you to 'Learn more about evolution', but until you understand evolution, you can't sensibly discuss it.

You complain about people treating you as a 'dummy'. Well, everyone can be wrong, or ignorant. The smart people realise that they are wrong or ignorant and do something about it. Stupid people don't, and keep on repeating the same mistakes.

Thank you for responding, that's why I gave some fuel for the fire: "You Arius are ignorant of the Evolution theory", .. but you see that fire is only in your heads. It doesn't exist, just like planets, the globe earth, gravity, NASA Big-Banged space etc.

If you want us to treat you as smart, not stupid, then one very important thing you can do is: don't act stupid. We only (I presume) know you from these forums, and hence will judge you based on what we see you write here.

You say that you are finding inconsistencies. Unfortunately, you only find inconsistencies in your personal misunderstandings of these things.

Yes, I understand, and you guys keep saying that if I agree with you guys you wouldn't consider me stupid doesn't prove anything. What I require is evidence, answer my questions without repeating the same closed minded Religious doctrine: "Well duh, evolution takes a long time and there is no individual in a population, where not individuals change, but in Evolution Doctrine the whole population changes, .. as you do here again, like the rest of your Evolutionist buddies.

Here's an important hint: Nobody says that speciation occurs by one species suddenly giving birth to another species. Populations of individuals evolve as a group, and no parent is ever a different species from its offspring.

My friend, if you still don't "see" the error in what you are saying, even though I have pointed it out in sooo many different ways, then I cannot help you.
Religions do that, closed minded faith (belief without evidence).

Once again: According to the Evolution doctrines, did, or did not amoeba evolve/speciate over the 4.2 billion years into apes like gorillas, which evolved into chimps, bonobos and humans, .. or not? Yes, slooowly, .. over 4.2 billion years like, over millions and billions and trillions of generations, is that slow enough for you?

1. I gave you 4.2 BILLION years, is that enough or not? I can give you more if you want? I gave you trillions of generations, is that enough? You want more, .. I can give you more.
2. Don't give me different bugs and lizards and frogs, my question is specifically the claim of skull & bones worshipping Evolutionists calling me and my family animals of the ape family, because some black African Pigmies look like little apes. I did not come up with that, YOU Evolutionists came up with those crude and discriminating ideas as I have shown time and again.

Show how a gorilla, or a "population of gorillas" evolve, or are evolving into human? After 4 billion years, surely we should have all the evidence of populations of different looking living apes, like a population loosing their hair, a population living in caves, a population building fires, .. making wheels, talking about religion, inventing gods, .. yes, populations of them, .. where are they?

Here is what we have; "claims" look at it please,


on that collage of apes, .. you notice something different? Can you spot the picture that does NOT belong?
I bet any 2 year old could "spot the difference", where something just doesn't fit!? Can you find it?

Calling people "animal" and apes is not nice. It was NEVER nice, only demented, and possessed people would consider calling other humans animals, and apes, and telling them their ancestors were rats as "smart and scientific".
I'm sorry, but I cannot agree with you on that even if you will go on calling me stupid.

Right: There is information for you. And what are you going to do? Read up on that and understand that aspect of evolution from now on (smart), or just keep on making the same completely wrong claims and straw men (stupid)?

It's up to you.

My God, .. what "information" are you talking about? This, that: "Populations of individuals evolve as a group, and no parent is ever a different species from its offspring", .. is this it? That even though an entire population evolves from gorilla to human, but no parent is different species from it's offspring"? and you don't see something terribly wrong with your statement?
How the hell does a gorilla evolve into the illusive, unknown species you guys call "Common Ancestor" then, if they always stay gorillas?
LOL, .. so either I accept Evolution Religion on blind faith (smart), or keep showing you guys evidence of the lies, the misconceptions, the paradoxes which you will consider (stupid).
Look, I only had 2 years of MK-ultra public education, so calling me stupid if I don't agree with you will not make me believe I am stupid.

Now since I am a man of science, Evidence can convince me if I'm wrong, .. but not just calling me stupid, just because I don't agree with you. Didn't I tell you that I have stepped out of the box, out of the confines of Religious Indoctrination?

Now again for the hundredth time, please answer my question above?
Thank you.
 
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Yes.

The message is a foolish message.

1 Corinthians 1:18
For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

This is a science forum. Any science behind that scripture?
 
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My God, .. what "information" are you talking about? This, that: "Populations of individuals evolve as a group, and no parent is ever a different species from its offspring", .. is this it? That even though an entire population evolves from gorilla to human, but no parent is different species from it's offspring"? and you don't see something terribly wrong with your statement?
No, it seems perfectly clear to us and we are astonished that you are having a problem with it.
How the hell does a gorilla evolve into the illusive, unknown species you guys call "Common Ancestor" then, if they always stay gorillas?
No, the common ancestory evolves into a gorilla, not a gorilla into a common ancestor.
LOL, .. so either I accept Evolution Religion on blind faith (smart), or keep showing you guys evidence of the lies, the misconceptions, the paradoxes which you will consider (stupid).
We don't care whether you accept the theory of evolution or not. All we are trying to do is tell you what it actually says.
 
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Right you are. Except for one thing: if another fish did it all the way up to bipedal terrestrial intelligent creatures they might be very like us, but they would not be Homo Sapiens. They wouldn't have "morphed into humans" but into another species similar to humans.

Yes, .. so where are they? Remember the "color gradient" you guys shown me? Where are all those species between gorilla and human?
Or why did all the human apes loose their hair, .. huh?
Or, where are all the different humans that have kept all their hair, but are as, or even more intelligent than us? What's so evolved about loosing our hair and having to clothe ourselves? You call that "Evolution"?

I know, how about the human-apes that kept their body hair, grew four arms, and another set of eyes in the back of their head? Tell me that wouldn't improve our survivability, and cut cost in buying clothes?
 
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Oh, and finding a bunch of short beaked finches and line them up with gradually longer beaks is not acceptable either. I can show you just from my family of 7 siblings height difference from 5'5" to 5'11".

You said....

“Did any of the 8 million scientists alive today, or those who have passed on over the past 100 years ever witness any of these 'species type' like a short beaked finch evolve a longer beak, .. huh? ANYONE, EVER, have they?”

Which is EXACTLY the case with the Blackcaps.

Forget the excuses, obfuscation and inventing ridiculous parodies of what the paper cited. If you can’t be honest you don’t deserve anyone’s time.

Good luck to you, keep up the good work of making creatists look like dishonest halfwits.
 
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Or maybe I just can't make myself clear enough, now THAT could very well be possible, for I had very, very little "formal education". So what I do is look up definitions of words, and try to phrase it like you educated fellow debaters would phrase it.
I'm a little like that Bumblebee Transformer, I use whatever means that I can to get my message across.

It is here that I found inconsistencies with scientists and even Science Professors statements, in lectures, in documentaries, in science-papers etc. Not just inconsistencies, but misconceptions, paradoxes, opposite meanings, .. and so on.
When I point these out in either e-mails, or in remarks, or in debates, or over the phone conversations, they 'claim in defense' that; I'm just ignorant of the subject, .. like you guys treat me here, like a dummy ape who just can't learn.

I get the same old: "Learn more about evolution. Or, you don't understand quantum theory. Or, where the hll did you get that idea from?" This is where I show them from their own ideas/words and this is where their pride kicks in; ("can't very well let some unschooled peon destroy my entire reputation") so the name calling, ridiculing begins, and ends with a hang up, or with being shunned, .. or my U-Haul rigged where on the Interstate 65mph speed limit both my steering and brakes go out at the same time. I don't just mean go manual, but where the steering wheel spins free, and the brake peddle falls and stay on the floor.



So if I shown you a Great Dane and a teacup poodle, or a Nazi supremacist and a black girl and shown how these two could no longer mate, you would consider that "speciation" also, .. is that what you're saying?

Again, please show me where the short beaked finch, either lays an egg of a longer beaked offspring, or one day it morphs into a longer beaked finch? That would be "observing and documenting speciation". In other words, that would be considered science.

Instead, .. what Evolutionists are saying is that: "That is NOT how evolution/speciation works Arius, besides, if that ever happened, that would disprove evolution! THIS is how speciation/evolution happens:" and you direct me to that site. Or you guys show us a bunch of different fossils, or pictures of a white suburban lady amongst a bunch of apes and point to an imaginary, nonexistent creature no one knows what species it was, and call it the "Common Ancestor", and say: "That's how evolution/speciation works!"

Oh, and finding a bunch of short beaked finches and line them up with gradually longer beaks is not acceptable either. I can show you just from my family of 7 siblings height difference from 5'5" to 5'11".



Scientific evidence??
A joke??
No my friend, it's what Evolutionist use to prove their evolution of gorillas to human is a joke. I asked you guys to show me how Evolutionists can justify calling me and my family "animals, apes" whose "ancestors were rats."
Now I would understand it being a joke, I can both take a joke, and dish it out, but as I have shown you how this Evolution Religion has demoralized, demonized, and mostly dehumanized humans over its relatively short existence, and shown how many hundreds of millions of 'brutal deaths' it has caused (Communism, black-white discrimination) and the list goes on, to ignore all that evidence, shows absolutely no consideration to what I posted, and continue, without any scientific basis to call me an "animal, and my family apes, descended from rats, .. over a very long period of time!"

So either fess up and apologize for such evil and dehumanization of your fellow humans, or cough up some actual scientific evidence of Evolution/speciation besides skull & bones, or locking up Negros in zoos holding baby apes. Or what you shown me a bunch of bugs and lizards and frogs. Yes, thank you, as we can see from the 7 billion living people on earth, every one of them different from the other that our Creator God loves 'variety', and created us, and everything else on Earth with variations.

Thank you, and Please, show speciation/evolution as it happens, and PLEASE stick to human-evolution because I look nothing like those frogs, or bugs, or rats even if they claim our DNA only differs 6% (or whatever)

Just like a car and a motorcycle, they both have the same nuts and bolts and metals, leather, glass, plastic, but you wouldn't confuse a car with a motorcycle, or say that the car evolved from a motorcycle, right? Unless I shown how a motorcycle one day morphed into a car!?

We, just like our Creator in whose image we were created, use the same general blueprint, same nuts and bolts to make many different things.

Again, please show me actual speciation, not just keep claiming "it happens, .. really Arius, look at all these different bugs and frogs, and the millions of evolving fossils!"

You are aware that racism pre-dates the theory of evolution aren’t you?
 
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No, it seems perfectly clear to us and we are astonished that you are having a problem with it.
No, the common ancestory evolves into a gorilla, not a gorilla into a common ancestor.


Time 0:21 so it was either a population of chimps, bonobos or the white suburban housewife ape evolved into a common ancestor?
That's a new twist on evolution?
But why not, I have always asked that question; how do you know that a population of humans didn't get smart, and grow hair, give up all the hustle and bustle of city life, go into the woods and evolve into gorillas? You know, survival of the fittest, a gorilla can take on ten humans, and they can talk all they want while we tear their arms off, talking and all their intelligence ain't going to save them!

We don't care whether you accept the theory of evolution or not. All we are trying to do is tell you what it actually says.

I know what it says, and what this Evolution Religion claims, and as I have been showing you, it's not very nice, even cruel, the whole idea is inhumane and very dangerous as I have shown from history.

Jesus loves you, why keep and defend such cruel, cold hearted, discriminating Religion like this, over choosing a life with Christ?
 
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Thank you for responding, that's why I gave some fuel for the fire: "You Arius are ignorant of the Evolution theory", .. but you see that fire is only in your heads. It doesn't exist, just like planets, the globe earth, gravity, NASA Big-Banged space etc.

Does it ever occur to you that it could possibly the case that you don’t have a better understanding of biology than all the universities and scientific organisations of the world?
 
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You are aware that racism pre-dates the theory of evolution aren’t you?

Oh yes I do, .. and it was bad enough, but do you think making up a Religion that discriminates, belittles, dehumanize like this Evolution Religion will solve racism? Remember Ota Benga and the hundreds of millions of blacks that have been tortured and killed over the few centuries because of this ideology, this belief system!?
 
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Oh yes I do, .. and it was bad enough, but do you think making up a Religion that discriminates, belittles, dehumanize like this Evolution Religion will solve racism? Remember Ota Benga and the hundreds of millions of blacks that have been tortured and killed over the few centuries because of this ideology, this belief system!?

Except that evolution DOES NONE OF THAT. Where in the theory of evolution and in any of Darwin's writing's say that people MUST discriminate against other people for evolution to be true?
I'll save you the time and effort: IT DOESN'T!
 
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How the hell does a gorilla evolve into the illusive, unknown species you guys call "Common Ancestor"
I think this is why you have been characterised as ignorant.

A gorilla evolving into the common ancestor of what exactly?

The gorilla did not evolve into the common ancestor of gorillas and humans.

I’ve never seen anyone make this mistake in my 15 or so years of debating creos.
 
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Yes, I understand, and you guys keep saying that if I agree with you guys you wouldn't consider me stupid doesn't prove anything. What I require is evidence, answer my questions without repeating the same closed minded Religious doctrine: "Well duh, evolution takes a long time and there is no individual in a population, where not individuals change, but in Evolution Doctrine the whole population changes, .. as you do here again, like the rest of your Evolutionist buddies.

Mostly, that paragraph is correct.

Once again: According to the Evolution doctrines, did, or did not amoeba evolve/speciate over the 4.2 billion years into apes like gorillas, which evolved into chimps, bonobos and humans, .. or not? Yes, slooowly, .. over 4.2 billion years like, over millions and billions and trillions of generations, is that slow enough for you?

This is better than what you were saying before. Which was asking to see one parent give birth to a different species.

So, yes, 4.2 billion years is long enough. The first amoeba was approximately 2.1 Billion years ago, so it appears that only half that time was required.

1. I gave you 4.2 BILLION years, is that enough or not? I can give you more if you want? I gave you trillions of generations, is that enough? You want more, .. I can give you more.

You are agreeing with me. I'm not sure why you are doing it in such a manner as you are. However, I'm happy that you are agreeing with me. However, let's see what happens next.

2. Don't give me different bugs and lizards and frogs, my question is specifically the claim of skull & bones worshipping Evolutionists calling me and my family animals of the ape family, because some black African Pigmies look like little apes. I did not come up with that, YOU Evolutionists came up with those crude and discriminating ideas as I have shown time and again.

I think that you bringing out and out racism into this discussion is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself. Hence, I bow out of this discussion now as I have no wish to interact with people such as you.
 
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