Evolution - and their take over/destruction of science

[DogmaHunter]

Not at the singularity.

The use of only general relativity to predict what happened in the beginnings of the Universe has been heavily criticized, as quantum mechanics becomes a significant factor in the high-energy environment of the earliest Universe, and general relativity on its own fails to make accurate predictions. In response to the inaccuracy of considering only general relativity, as in the traditional model of the Big Bang, alternative theoretical formulations for the beginning of the Universe have been proposed, including a string theory-based model. (wikipedia)

It is my understanding that big bang theory is primarily about the development of the universe once it existed. Kind of like how evolution doesn't address the origins of life.

Nevertheless, it does make predictions which are testable. The origins of the universe furthermore, are unknown at this point.

At T = 0, it's not just relativity that breaks down. It's everything.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Actually DH, science may never know whether the universe is finite or infinite.

So? I can only again just repeat what I said: science doesn't claim that the energy of the universe is infinite.

It's not about density in black holes.
It's not about wheter or not the universe is infinite.

It just states that science doesn't claim that the energy in the universe is infinite.

 

[DogmaHunter]

We do not know what was before the Big Bang, unknown.

We do not know anything about the singularity, unknown.

We do not even know why the inflation event even occurred, unknown.

Science extrapolates back from the present understanding of the Universe, to reach the concept of a singularity.

Did I say otherwise?
No, I did not.

I just said that big bang theory makes testable predictions.
I didn't say it can explain everything. I didn't even claim it to be accurate (or wrong).

I just made the factual statement that big bang theory does make testable predictionsi.

 

[DogmaHunter]

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The bottom line is that we both creationist and evolutionist admit that: "Evolution/speciation of one species into another distinct species NEVER HAPPENS"

Google "observed speciation".

Thank you. Now if you want to understand how life really began, why, and where we are headed, .. you know, the 'Big Picture' I would be more than happy to help you with that.

The origins of life are unknown.

 

[DogmaHunter]

- Attempts to have ID taught in public schools have been defeated in court, and science papers proposing a "designer" usually cannot get past peer review — although not for reasons of prejudice against the subject matter. Intelligent design has been widely criticised for its failure to state what mechanism drives it, its lack of falsifiability, and many other problems that leave it lacking as a scientific theory

Isn't that interesting; Intelligent design has been widely criticized for its failure to state what mechanism drives it?

It means that it has zero explanatory power. And thus doesn't qualify as science at all. Kind of logical that it's not acceptable to have it taught in science classes then, right?

But that wasn't my point though.
My point was about the term "cdesign proponentsists".
The backstory of that term kind of exposes what a bunch of frauds and liars those people are.

-its lack of falsifiability

Ah, the Atheists/Evolutionist got us there! I mean how could anyone test Intelligent Design, .. what mechanism could possibly be applied to disprove Creation by Intelligent Design?

Well, we could put a rock in water and wait for life to pop out into it? (Something Kent Hovind is working on, and for years, nothing, no sign of life) but yeah, it takes time to get life out of a rock, like millions and billions of Carl Sagan years as scientists have observed.

Kent Hovind, ha?

Good grief.

Ow and newsflash: in science, just like explanatory power - falsifiability / testability is kind of an important criteria.

See, this is exactly why Michael Behe had to change the definition of "scientific theory" so that it would ALSO include pseudo-science, before he could claim that ID is a scientific theory. Under his definition, horoscopes also qualify as science. As per his own admission.

Get a hint.

You mean a BB-Evolution journal.

A science journal.
Yes, BB and evolution are proper scientific theories. Unlike ID, they are both testable, falsifiable and offer great explanatory power.

No scientist has ever observed a species speciate into another distinct species, .. like gorilla to human.

If gorilla's evolved into humans, then evolution theory is wrong.

Count on a creationist, to demand "proof of evolution", while what he really asks for would falsify evolution instead.

That's how good a grasp you have on this theory that you are hellbend on arguing against.....

I'll never understand how one can think to be qualified to argue against a scientific theory, while having absolutely no understanding of that theory at all.

Nobody uses the prefix, not even dictionaries.

The christian faith = religious faith.

You know well that both the word Evolution by chaotic environmental effects has been changed to mean science, and Intelligent Design has been turned to mean 'blind faith'.

Evolution has always been a scientific theory. Not because it is simply asserted to be, but because it demonstrably fits the criteria that a scientific theory must meet.

ID is blind faith, because it is just creationism disguised in a lab coat. Creationism is a religious belief. Don't lie about this. Your "D" is none other then the God you read about in Genesis. And the only reason you adhere to this ID / creationism stuff, is because it is part of your religious faith.

Not because of any evidence or actual rational scientific reason... But simply because it is what you already believe. Religiously.

 

[Arius]

By misrepresenting science, slandering honest people, making snarky comments, straw man arguments and showing a real ignorance of the topic?

I don’t see even see any of your fellow creationists chipping in to support your “arguments”, why do you think that is?

You see Jimmy, you just described your Pastor Dawkins. and other atheists like Hitchens As I have shown throughout these debates that he has, as you said: misrepresented science,

slandering, and mocking honest people,

making snarky comments, straw man arguments and showing a real ignorance of the topic of Creation and our Creator Bible God, the Only God possible.

 

[DogmaHunter]

You see Jimmy, you just described your Pastor Dawkins. and other atheists like Hitchens As I have shown throughout these debates that he has, as you said: misrepresented science,

slandering, and mocking honest people,

making snarky comments, straw man arguments and showing a real ignorance of the topic of Creation and our Creator Bible God, the Only God possible.

You really hate Professor Dawkins, don't you.

 

[Arius]

I think that false and distasteful accusation says more about you than me. I hope you get the help you need.

I have shown the hundreds of years history of this atheistic/grave robbing, skull & bones worshipping/Nazi/Communistic Religion hiding under the umbrella of science you call Evolution Theory, and I agree, .. it is horrible! I am sorry that the truth about the history of this dangerous Religion is accusatory and distasteful, but we Believers must do our best to uncover the truth about it before the writings in the Georgia Guide Stones becomes a reality, where from the 7 billion people we have living on the earth today, only half a billion of self-identified superior-race of whites are to remain.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I have shown the hundreds of years history of this atheistic/grave robbing, skull & bones worshipping/Nazi/Communistic Religion hiding under the umbrella of science you call Evolution Theory, and I agree, .. it is horrible! I am sorry that the truth about the history of this dangerous Religion is accusatory and distasteful, but we Believers must do our best to uncover the truth about it before the writings in the Georgia Guide Stones becomes a reality, where from the 7 billion people we have living on the earth today, only half a billion of self-identified superior-race of whites are to remain.

You sound extremely delusional, i'm sorry to say.

 

[Arius]

Have you read Frances Collins book? There is no conflict between science and the Bible. His version of theistic evolution tries to reflect that.

No I haven't, but his books look very interesting.

I agree 100% that there is no conflict, no contradiction, no paradox between the Scientific Evidence of our Infinite God, His creation, and everything we read in the Bible.
I mean think about it, imagine using Darwin's "On the Origin of Species" to run a family, especially an entire Country!? We seen the horrors his books and his Godless ideologies have caused in Nazism, and the effects still felt today in Communism.

It is very evident that the ONLY reason that theses Religions (Cosmology and Evolution) survive is because it is constantly maintained by all the mass media. It's always getting the headlines in the Newspapers, always mentioned in books, in movies especially science fiction movies, newspaper articles about like; what planet NASA discovered 4 million light years away, all with CGI artist rendered images of its surface and the creatures that may be inhabiting them!

And let's not forget the "possibility of life" mentioned, it always used to captivate my attention, as it does the rest of the folks. Science fiction like the BB-Evolution is fairytales for adults, and they have to be maintained, because it's seriousness would die out in a year since there is absolutely no practical use for any of that info. The only thing left of these so called theories would be the fiction part like Peter Pan.

Like these debates, we are actually helping BB-Evolutionists keep the BB-Evolution alive, which is why the members of this Religion keep repeating the same old comments over and over again and not answer the actual questions.

Like: What species was that "Common Ancestor" that they claim humans evolved from?

 

[Jimmy D]

You see Jimmy, you just described your Pastor Dawkins. and other atheists like Hitchens As I have shown throughout these debates that he has, as you said: misrepresented science,

slandering, and mocking honest people,

making snarky comments, straw man arguments and showing a real ignorance of the topic of Creation and our Creator Bible God, the Only God possible.

LOL You really don't like Dawkins do you? Well, newsflash, he doesn't speak for me or represent my views. Mind you, I've got nothing against him nor do I particularly pay attention to him. I can honestly say that I've never seen any videos of him.

How does saying "But Dawkins does it too!" excuse your behaviour? I'm assuming your an adult, not a pre-schooler.

While we're on the topic I don't believe that you "shown that he has misrepresented science". Could you provide a post number ?

 

[Jimmy D]

Like these debates, we are actually helping BB-Evolutionists keep the BB-Evolution alive, which is why the members of this Religion keep repeating the same old comments over and over again and not answer the actual questions. Like: What species was that "Common Ancestor" that they claim humans evolved from?

For the third time WE DON'T KNOW WHAT SPECIES IT WAS.

You are a liar, does the ninth commandment mean nothing to you? Why are you so happy to break it.

The dishonesty, ignorance, hubris and general attitude of people like you do more to discredit Creationism than any atheist could ever hope to do.

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"As for the common ancestor Dawkins is referring to, we don't know, it hasn't been discovered yet as far as I am aware. Fossils of apes and their ancestors are very rare."

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"We certainly don't know every detail in the story of human evolution but the pieces of evidence we do have all point towards the undeniable conclusion we evolved from an ape-like ancestor."

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According to Chimpanzee–human last common ancestor - Wikipedia , it was perhaps something like Orrorin tugenensis and Sahelanthropus tchadensis.
(Astrophile)

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We don't specifically know the prescise species, but we know a lot about it from genetics found in living and dead species including our own.

Like I don't know the name of my nine times grandfather, but I can infer from genetics and history that he was a man living in the York moors of England.

(Shemjaza)

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I said somewhere else that the common ancestor of gorillas, chimpanzees and humans (and australopithecines) was possibly Nakalipithecus nayakamai , or something very like it - Nakalipithecus - Wikipedia . Samburupithecus kiptalami has also been named as a possible common ancestor to gorillas, chimpanzees and hominins (including humans) - Samburupithecus - Wikipedia.

You can see from this that there there are several fossil animals that may have been the common ancestor of ourselves and the African apes, even if biologists can't say which of these was the true last common ancestor. No doubt other possible common ancestors will be discovered in the next ten years or so.

(Astrophile)

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[Arius]

You sound extremely delusional, i'm sorry to say.

You mean like your profile picture? It kind of reveals ones belief system, don't it? Especially on a debating sight, "here is what I think:"
The common saying from Barnard, which appears in the March 10, 1927, issue with the phrase "One Picture Worth Ten Thousand Words", where it is labeled a Chinese proverb.

 

[joshua 1 9]

No I haven't, but his books look very interesting.

I agree 100% that there is no conflict, no contradiction, no paradox between the Scientific Evidence of our Infinite God, His creation, and everything we read in the Bible.
I mean think about it, imagine using Darwin's "On the Origin of Species" to run a family, especially an entire Country!? We seen the horrors his books and his Godless ideologies have caused in Nazism, and the effects still felt today in Communism.

It is very evident that the ONLY reason that theses Religions (Cosmology and Evolution) survive is because it is constantly maintained by all the mass media. It's always getting the headlines in the Newspapers, always mentioned in books, in movies especially science fiction movies, newspaper articles about like; what planet NASA discovered 4 million light years away, all with CGI artist rendered images of its surface and the creatures that may be inhabiting them!

And let's not forget the "possibility of life" mentioned, it always used to captivate my attention, as it does the rest of the folks. Science fiction like the BB-Evolution is fairytales for adults, and they have to be maintained, because it's seriousness would die out in a year since there is absolutely no practical use for any of that info. The only thing left of these so called theories would be the fiction part like Peter Pan.

Like these debates, we are actually helping BB-Evolutionists keep the BB-Evolution alive, which is why the members of this Religion keep repeating the same old comments over and over again and not answer the actual questions.

Like: What species was that "Common Ancestor" that they claim humans evolved from?

God has written His book for our life. Some people want to dance with the devil and write their own book. "Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be." Psalm 139:16

 

[joshua 1 9]

Like I don't know the name of my nine times grandfather, but I can infer from genetics and history that he was a man living in the York moors of England.

We have our family history going back to 800 ad. I ran the DNA on my son and that matches our recorded history perfectly. Although my wife was a surprise. She was a Sagon so I was expecting a lot more middle east and it only came out 3%. Although there was a lot of Mongolian which confirms what I suspected or surmised.

 

[xianghua]

No, it is merely a stepwise modification of a forelimb--the same bones, muscles, blood vessels, etc. changed in shape and proportion. Nothing new there at all, and nothing more complex than the creature's original forelimb.

if so a cat can evolve into a flying cat in a single generation?

 

[Speedwell]

if so a cat can evolve into a flying cat in a single generation?

No. Nor the dog we were talking about. But however many generations it took, the flying cat would still be a member of the family Felidae, just like the flying dog would still be a member of the family Canidae.

 

[Jimmy D]

We have our family history going back to 800 ad. I ran the DNA on my son and that matches our recorded history perfectly. Although my wife was a surprise. She was a Sagon so I was expecting a lot more middle east and it only came out 3%. Although there was a lot of Mongolian which confirms what I suspected or surmised.

Hi Joshua. That was someone else who posted about their ancestors, not me. Still, it's very interesting what you can discover about your family history these days. Your family sounds a bit like mine, with the far eastern influence, at least we can't be accused of inbreeding!

 

[Speedwell]

I have shown the hundreds of years history of this atheistic/grave robbing, skull & bones worshipping/Nazi/Communistic Religion hiding under the umbrella of science you call Evolution Theory, and I agree, .. it is horrible! I am sorry that the truth about the history of this dangerous Religion is accusatory and distasteful, but we Believers must do our best to uncover the truth about it before the writings in the Georgia Guide Stones becomes a reality, where from the 7 billion people we have living on the earth today, only half a billion of self-identified superior-race of whites are to remain.

Of course the guidestones say nothing about the white race or its putative superiority to other races. That's creationist doctrine.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Hi Joshua. That was someone else who posted about their ancestors, not me. Still, it's very interesting what you can discover about your family history these days. Your family sounds a bit like mine, with the far eastern influence, at least we can't be accused of inbreeding!