Oncedeceived
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Why do accept that evolution produces the results rather than design when the evidence supports design and evolution has no evidence that explains it?
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Why do accept that evolution produces the results rather than design when the evidence supports design and evolution has no evidence that explains it?You keep ignoring the possibility of evolution giving the results we see, instead of design. Why do you ignore the usual scientific reason for the patterns we see in living things?
Denial is obvious.Right, there is observation, very plain indicators of design. There is no question a motor is designed, unless one is into denial of the obvious.
He has admitted that there is no evidence but then turns around and says that evolution did it. Evolution in the gaps.Do you have evidence, based on the scientific method, that bacterial flagellum and tactile sensory units are created by Darwinist evolution?
He has admitted that there is no evidence but then turns around and says that evolution did it. Evolution in the gaps.
I gave a few names, the most famous ones. I've provided information in a following post to you.You mean, some unnamed biologists may have an opinion that some things may appear designed. Is that all you have?
Resemble?Biological systems exhibit the properties of sophisticated engineered systems that resemble
See?methods developed by human engineers to accomplish complicated tasks. In biological systems we have those systems similar in human designs that include control signals that include information, detection and decision, signaling to induce a response from other systems all for a set goal. Planning is shown from mechanisms that are for correction and back-up systems that do not go into effect unless some event occurs which shows planning to address possible occurrences.
We see
Similar?in human engineering of computational systems parts that executes actions in response to external inputs as well as internal stored information, in which timing and sequence are critical. Biological systems have clocks and an exquisite structure for synchronization of different processes, with triggers, delays, and several different clock cycles operating simultaneously.
Biological systems have similar
See?mechanisms that reflect human designs in the machine. Rotors, structures that have similar mechanical design as those in human machines but much much more efficient and much faster too. We have gears and turning mechanisms that work in the same way as those humans design.
We see similar elements in biological systems that we find in computer design. We see
That is not criteria. Nothing tested, nothing measured. Like I said, you are just looking at things and claiming "design".levels of tasks and subtasks as in modularity and folder systems in computers. A cell has a community of molecular systems that show this type of system.
Here is a video that Scientific Animation created to show the powering of the cell: Mitochondria
Intelligent Design finding those properties that are recognized as design in systems and life forms that can't be shown to be by evolution alone.
Oncedeceived said: ↑Resemble?
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That is not criteria. Nothing tested, nothing measured. Like I said, you are just looking at things and claiming "design".
The evidence is the design in life forms.Step up to the plate, and show us how you test for "intelligent design".
Or, evade and try to shift the burden of evidence yet again.
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No, actually. When one claims that something has certain properties like what we find in human design it is inductively determined to fit the criteria of design.
Davian said: I have never seen these "criteria of design". What are they?
Are you trying to claim that those items I presented are not in evidence from human designs?
False. That is an observation made by scientists who study biological systems, it is without question as far as biological system's design being human like in their construction and function.That is opinion, not science.
The design, the system designs, the structural designs, the functional designs, the purposeful designs are human like in "design". It is what they are, what they do, when they do it, how they do it that shows design.You mean, the appearance of design. Not the same thing.
<looks for scientific citation to back up this vacuous claim - sees nothing>False. That is an observation made by scientists who study biological systems, it is without question as far as biological system's design being human like in their construction and function.
But you cannot, in any way, show that that there was any "intelligence" behind what you see as "design" in nature - correct? Yes or no?The design, the system designs, the structural designs, the functional designs, the purposeful designs are human like in "design". It is what they are, what they do, when they do it, how they do it that shows design.
"The entire cell can be viewed as a factory that contains an elaborate network of interlocking assembly lines, each of which is composed of a set of large protein machines...Why do we call the large protein assemblies that underlie cell function protein machines? Precisely because, like machines invented by humans to deal efficiently with the macroscopic world, these protein assemblies contain highly coordinated moving parts." Bruce Alberts, "The Cell as a Collection of Protein Machines: Preparing the Next Generation of Molecular Biologists," Cell, Vol. 92: 291 (February 6, 1998).<looks for scientific citation to back up this vacuous claim - sees nothing>
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