JohnR7 said:Not everyone will die. Some people will be transformed without ever having to taste death. Only sinners die.
What does that mean, John?
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JohnR7 said:Not everyone will die. Some people will be transformed without ever having to taste death. Only sinners die.
Asimov said:What does that mean, John?
gluadys said:Every liberal Christian I know would agree that abortion is an action a woman should never have to contemplate. The fact that millions of women do have to consider it is de facto evidence of the existence of sin and of the consequences of sin.
But let's not go off on a tangent here. I believe there is another forum more appropriate to this discussion.
Risen from the Dust said:My apologies gluadys. I did not mean to bring up a hot topic to cause strife -- it was the first example that came to my mind.
In doing this, in the most extreme examples, they tend to reduce the danger of sin insofar as to say that no one actually goes to a place eternally separated from God.
In mediating on this, I also can't help but wonder if this way of thinking has manifested in similar ways within the church so as to diffuse key theological areas where sin's effects might be downplayed -- such as in the Garden of Eden where some seem to debate over whether the sin commited was "actual" or "potential".
Evoloution is Just Bad Science
I am new to this forum, but from what I have seen, all of the arguments regarding evoloution are old and tired and frankly, Not even good science.
The latest scientific information regarding DNA, verses Evoloutionary theory, is that under the constraints of Evoloution, DNA, being Digital Code, invalidates all Evoloutionary theory. Since DNA is Coded information about how matter is to be constructed, it is impossible that DNA could occur naturally. All Good Scientists know that Digital Code comes from an intelligent source, not by random selection. Anyway, I have taught this subjest for 20 + years and have over 1,000 hours of lectures on the subject. I look forward to any intelligent interaction with well informed challengers, if you dare!
How would the Tree of Life fit into this? In Gen 3:22 God seems to kick Adam and Eve out of Eden lest they "take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever." Doesn't that imply that they hadn't eaten it before and that they would have needed to do so in order to live forever?Risen from the Dust said:For example, most creationists (of almost all sorts) would contend that sin entered the garden when our first two parents transgressed the Lord's will. They would also argue that the wages of this sin was the suseptability to physical death. Some would not argue that all people were born spiritually damned from this inherited sin. Others, however, would.
And wouldn't "spiritual death" imply ceasing to exist. If that's what happens, who would go to Hell?Risen from the Dust said:On the other hand, most theistic evolutionists would contend that sin entered humanity's earliest ancestors (sometimes even implying literal personages). They would also argue that the wages of this sin was the suseptability to spiritual death.
Remnant said:For how many years did evolutionists try to find a way around the 2d law of thermodynamics? How many theories were proven to parallel the 2d law, then tossed when found to be junk science? Now you cling to some obscure theory that tries to show life being a different system than the rest of the universe. Its pitiful .
Remnant said:Yea...So? Where's the spontaneous life? If science has us pointed in the right direction regarding life on earth how come they havent created it (and I dont mean Amino acids) Out of all this scientific garbage no one has proven that life was created out of some goo; speculation is all its been and faith is the basis for evolution.
You are a transitional .what a bunch of hogwash! I can just see the sneer on that posters face and distain for creationists when they typed that ..thinking to themselves that bible-thumpers are a bunch of ill-informed wackos that know nothing of real science and should leave the questions of life to the real intellectuals and those who have doctorates.
For how many years did evolutionists try to find a way around the 2d law of thermodynamics? How many theories were proven to parallel the 2d law, then tossed when found to be junk science? Now you cling to some obscure theory that tries to show life being a different system than the rest of the universe. Its pitiful .
You have a basic belief system and try to conform your scientific observation and theory around that foundational belief.
I feel sorry for you evolutionists I really do. You live in a dream world and dont even know it: thinking you are finding answers when all youre doing is digging yourselves deeper into the pit of foolishness.
But dont despair we Christians are praying for you
Remnant said:You are a transitional .what a bunch of hogwash! I can just see the sneer on that posters face and distain for creationists when they typed that ..thinking to themselves that bible-thumpers are a bunch of ill-informed wackos that know nothing of real science and should leave the questions of life to the real intellectuals and those who have doctorates.
Remnant said:You have a basic belief system and try to conform your scientific observation and theory around that foundational belief.
I feel sorry for you evolutionists I really do. You live in a dream world and dont even know it: thinking you are finding answers when all youre doing is digging yourselves deeper into the pit of foolishness.
But dont despair we Christians are praying for you
For how many years did evolutionists try to find a way around the 2d law of thermodynamics? How many theories were proven to parallel the 2d law, then tossed when found to be junk science? Now you cling to some obscure theory that tries to show life being a different system than the rest of the universe. Its pitiful
Remnant said:..thinking to themselves that bible-thumpers are a bunch of ill-informed wackos that know nothing of real science and should leave the questions of life to the real intellectuals and those who have doctorates.
For how many years did evolutionists try to find a way around the 2d law of thermodynamics?
Arikay said:I would agree with Remnant, his version of evolution (the one some creationist groups teach) is most definitely pure speculation and junk science.
Of course, the real theory of evolution is much different.
When people are taught a junk version of evolution, no wonder they think it's junk science.
Remnant said:You are a transitional .what a bunch of hogwash! I can just see the sneer on that posters face and distain for creationists when they typed that ..thinking to themselves that bible-thumpers are a bunch of ill-informed wackos that know nothing of real science and should leave the questions of life to the real intellectuals and those who have doctorates.
Remnant said:For how many years did evolutionists try to find a way around the 2d law of thermodynamics?
Remnant said:I feel sorry for you evolutionists I really do. You live in a dream world and dont even know it: thinking you are finding answers when all youre doing is digging yourselves deeper into the pit of foolishness.
But dont despair we Christians are praying for you