Evidence for Design (3)

[Dave Ellis]

Again if I have it was not on purpose.

but then again I don't think you would have post numbers or anything?

So we can analyze it?

The guy posted the remainder of the article that you quoted from, and the article certainly does not back what you were claiming it did. When that was pointed out to you, you dug in your heels.

The post that exposed your quote mine, may it be intentional or unintentional (for lack of a better term) is #325.

 

[createdtoworship]

obviosly not complete but that the ALL major phyla showed up from no where, and have not gone away since.

its' a problem because of this:

Dr. Paul Chien is chairman of the biology department at the University of San Francisco. He has extensively explored the mysteries of the marvelous Cambrian fossils in Chengjiang, China. Moreover, Chien possesses the largest collection of Chinese Cambrian fossils in North America. In an interview with Real Issue he remarked, “A simple way of putting it is that currently we have about 38 phyla of different groups of animals, but the total number of phyla discovered during that period of time (including those in China, Canada, and elsewhere) adds up to over 50 phyla. That means [there are] more phyla in the very, very beginning, where we found the first fossils [of animal life], than exist now. Stephen J. Gould, [a Harvard University evolutionary biologist], has referred to this as the reverse cone of diversity. The theory of evolution implies that things get more and more complex and get more and more diverse from one single origin. But the whole thing turns out to be reversed. We have more diverse groups in the very beginning, and in fact more and more of them die off over time, and we have less and less now.”- from genesispark.com

Darwin's Dilemma - YouTube

video get interesting about 17 minutes into it when it speaks of darwins doubts over the cambrian explosion:

"IN the sixth chapter I enumerated the chief objections which might be justly urged against the views maintained in this volume. Most of them have now been discussed. One, namely the distinctness of specific forms, and their not being blended together by innumerable transitional links, is a very obvious difficulty...."

origin of species, Darwin

read context here:
X. On the Imperfection of the Geological Record. On the Absence of Intermediate Varieties at the Present Day. Darwin, Charles Robert. 1909-14. Origin of Species. The Harvard Classics


again he doubts:
" To the question why we do not find rich fossiliferous deposits belonging to these assumed earliest periods prior to the Cambrian system, I can give no satisfactory answer. "

origin of species, darwin

http://www.bartleby.com/11/1006.html

 

[mzungu]

WARNING!
QUOTE MINING WORKS IN PROGRESS
Should you come across a mined quote then disregard it!
Failure to do so may cause undue stress and a sense of loss of bearing.
This is a public service notice.

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[Kylie]

But look who I used that reasoning with.....

When in Rome, learn to speak Italian.

Is "God moves in mysterious ways" a theological answer to why things happen that we can't comprehend? Sorry, but I don't see how it actually answers anything.

Besides, I am one Christian talking to another about an area of theology. I use quite different arguments concerning science.

Then you are off topic, aren't you?

 

[biggles53]

video get interesting about 17 minutes into it when it speaks of darwins doubts over the cambrian explosion:

"IN the sixth chapter I enumerated the chief objections which might be justly urged against the views maintained in this volume. Most of them have now been discussed. One, namely the distinctness of specific forms, and their not being blended together by innumerable transitional links, is a very obvious difficulty...."

origin of species, Darwin

read context here:
X. On the Imperfection of the Geological Record. On the Absence of Intermediate Varieties at the Present Day. Darwin, Charles Robert. 1909-14. Origin of Species. The Harvard Classics


again he doubts:
" To the question why we do not find rich fossiliferous deposits belonging to these assumed earliest periods prior to the Cambrian system, I can give no satisfactory answer. "

origin of species, darwin

X. On the Imperfection of the Geological Record. On the Sudden Appearance of Groups of Allied Species in the Lowest Known Fossiliferous Strata. Darwin, Charles Robert. 1909-14. Origin of Species. The Harvard Classics

Have you no shame sir....!?

I can't believe you're still persisting with this dishonesty in such a bald-faced manner....

1. In the succeeding pages, Darwin goes on to explain the reasons for the seeming lack of fossilised evidence....!

2.In the intervening 160 years since Darwin's discoveries, we have uncovered many more transitional fossils than were evident in his time...

3. At the time he wrote, Darwin had no knowledge of the work being done by people like Mendel, demonstrating the role of heredity in the evolutionary process. Had he been so aware, he would probably have been less concerned about the commonality of fossil evidence.....

Now, by all means, run off again and complain to 'teacher' about the mean ol' atheist..........!

 

[createdtoworship]

Have you no shame sir....!?

I can't believe you're still persisting with this dishonesty in such a bald-faced manner....

1. In the succeeding pages, Darwin goes on to explain the reasons for the seeming lack of fossilised evidence....!

2.In the intervening 160 years since Darwin's discoveries, we have uncovered many more transitional fossils than were evident in his time...

3. At the time he wrote, Darwin had no knowledge of the work being done by people like Mendel, demonstrating the role of heredity in the evolutionary process. Had he been so aware, he would probably have been less concerned about the commonality of fossil evidence.....

Now, by all means, run off again and complain to 'teacher' about the mean ol' atheist..........!

in your opinion, why did darwin doubt?

as far as I can tell he thought that there were more fossils to be found. It just happened that 50 years later another one would do the same thing, and also come to the same conclusion. I forgot the guys name. But how can there be STILL no fossil transitions to the early cambrian phyla?

I await your response.

 

[createdtoworship]

WARNING!
QUOTE MINING WORKS IN PROGRESS
Should you come across a mined quote then disregard it!
Failure to do so may cause undue stress and a sense of loss of bearing.
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quote mines don't exist, eccept in the mind of the evolutionist. Do you hear a Judge in a court room say , violation of quote mining" no because quoting out of context, or misquoting is the norm. Again quote mining doesn't exist..

here is an example of the folly of quote mining theories.

I was talking about oranges for 10 minutes, but one minute I was
talking about bananas.

If you quote the banana part, then you have quote mined because it was
not in context of the oranges.

and I can debate you all day quoting the orange portion.

But who is to say HE just didn't change opinions or doubt his orange
opinion in the few minutes he debated bananas?


See, quote mining doesn't exist.
It's all a lie of evolutionists.

quote mining doesn't exist as I have just proven.

Misquotes exist. Quoting out of context exist. But not quote mining.

it was made up by evolutionists to debate creationists.

 

[Dave Ellis]

quote mines don't exist, eccept in the mind of the evolutionist. Do you hear a Judge in a court room say , violation of quote mining" no because quoting out of context, or misquoting is the norm. Again quote mining doesn't exist..

here is an example of the folly of quote mining theories.

I was talking about oranges for 10 minutes, but one minute I was
talking about bananas.

If you quote the banana part, then you have quote mined because it was
not in context of the oranges.

and I can debate you all day quoting the orange portion.

But who is to say HE just didn't change opinions or doubt his orange
opinion in the few minutes he debated bananas?


See, quote mining doesn't exist.
It's all a lie of evolutionists.

quote mining doesn't exist as I have just proven.

Misquotes exist. Quoting out of context exist. But not quote mining.

it was made up by evolutionists to debate creationists.

I see you completely ignored my post which directed you to an example of a quote mine that you did.... after you asked for the relevant post number so you could address it.

So, are you going to address it, or not?

 

[createdtoworship]

I see you completely ignored my post which directed you to an example of a quote mine that you did.... after you asked for the relevant post number so you could address it.

So, are you going to address it, or not?

again quote mines don't exist, and I won't address them.

now, if it was a misquote then prove it.

if it was a quote out of context (then again you would need to post examples)

even then, quotes out of context by nature will reject the idea that someone has changed topics.

He could have changed topics from gradualism to the other side.

but is this what was done in those one to two sentences?

again you would have to prove that assertion.

I have never seen a Christian mine a quote for the purpose of lying or deceiving, this is one you need to get over.

 

[Dave Ellis]

again quote mines don't exist, and I won't address them.

now, if it was a misquote then prove it.

if it was a quote out of context (then again you would need to post examples)

even then, quotes out of context by nature will reject the idea that someone has changed topics.

He could have changed topics from gradualism to the other side.

but is this what was done in those one to two sentences?

again you would have to prove that assertion.

I have never seen a Christian mine a quote for the purpose of lying or deceiving, this is one you need to get over.

You posted a quote.... the response to your post included the full transcript of the piece you quoted.

The full transcript did not back the argument you were attempting to make, in fact it directly refutes what you had to say. Therefore, trying to use that quote to justify your position was wrong.

As I said earlier, if that was unintentional, the honest thing to do would be to admit you made a mistake and withdraw your argument. However, you are not even willing to admit you made a mistake when provided with the plain evidence (i.e. the full transcript).

That is not honest behaviour, and it's a demonstration that you are not trustworthy when it comes to providing credible information or evidence.

 

[biggles53]

in your opinion, why did darwin doubt?

as far as I can tell he thought that there were more fossils to be found. It just happened that 50 years later another one would do the same thing, and also come to the same conclusion. I forgot the guys name. But how can there be STILL no fossil transitions to the early cambrian phyla?

I await your response.

Yes, just ignore.........best way to frame an argument, right Grady...?

 

[createdtoworship]

You posted a quote.... the response to your post included the full transcript of the piece you quoted.

The full transcript did not back the argument you were attempting to make, in fact it directly refutes what you had to say. Therefore, trying to use that quote to justify your position was wrong.

As I said earlier, if that was unintentional, the honest thing to do would be to admit you made a mistake and withdraw your argument. However, you are not even willing to admit you made a mistake when provided with the plain evidence (i.e. the full transcript).

That is not honest behaviour, and it's a demonstration that you are not trustworthy when it comes to providing credible information or evidence.

iow, it's wrong because it hurt your feelings.

get over it, it's a tough world out there.

If you don't have any real arguments can we look at the other quotes I gave, we have followed this red herring far enough.

okay okay, once again for the crowd.....

if you say there is a quote mine, you must prove it out of context. (because thats the only argument that actually exists, as quote mining is arbitrary and doesn't exist as a term. )

okay so on to quoting out of context,

again this is a big grey area, not a lot of people will honor even this argumetn, but I have for sake of the goodness in my heart for your feelings.

but quoting out of context is only wrong if you can prove that it was not a tangeant, or not a change of subjects of the author.

this is very hard to do.

posting the entire dialogue is not good enough, you must state which sentences that violate or in your terms, quote mine the original quotes.

you see?

good luck with that.

 

[Golan]

get over it, it's a tough world out there.

How would you know you chose not to live in it? reality is obviously not for you hence the bizarre beliefs.

 

[createdtoworship]

How would you know you chose not to live in it? reality is obviously not for you hence the bizarre beliefs.

nice attitude.

 

[Black Akuma]

"i...don't have any real arguments."

-gradyll

 

[createdtoworship]

"i...don't have any real arguments."

-gradyll

this would be a misquote because you are actually placing the I and moving it to before the main body of text. For example....if you placed it after the "don't have any real arguments.....I...."

I would be acceptible although odd to use elipses so ofter, and frowned upon.

so either way is not the greatest way to quote what I said.

It's not a quote mine however, because those are non existent.

it's just a quote out of context, actually a misquote more precisely.

 

[Golan]

How would you know you chose not to live in it? reality is obviously not for you hence the bizarre beliefs.

nice attitude.

Do you live in reality or a religious "these are the things I want to be true" world?

 

[createdtoworship]

Do you live in reality or a religious "these are the things I want to be true" world?

?

lol

makes no sense.

 

[Golan]

Do you live in reality or a religious "these are the things I want to be true" world?

?

lol

makes no sense.

Therein lies your problem, dream on.

 

[createdtoworship]

Therein lies your problem, dream on.

??

lol