Evidence for a Global Flood

[LiveFreeOrDie]

Here we go again.

The challenge this time is for the YEC's on this board to provide positive scientific evidence in favor of a recent global flood.

I expect the same resounding response as when I asked for positive evidence for creation.

 

 

[Lanakila]

Live free this is being discussed on at least 3 other threads. It gets to be too much to respond to every thread.

 

[LiveFreeOrDie]

That's why I thought it would be helpful to have one single thread to discuss ALL the evidence.

 

[LiveFreeOrDie]

I guess that about sums it up.

 

 

[alexgb00]

Originally posted by LiveFreeOrDie
That's why I thought it would be helpful to have one single thread to discuss ALL the evidence.

This'll be like a bar -- lots of people screaming and arguing and nobody listening. This topic is too general. It would be a mess.

Choose a more specific topic, maybe.

 

[Oliver]

Maybe something like this:

"What do you think of William Ryan and Walter Pitman's theory of a local flood circa 5500 BCE near the Black Sea?

They found evidence that around 5500 BCE, the land separating the Mediterranian sea and the Black Sea (which was a lake at that time) collapsed, due to a great difference in sea levels, and that a major flood followed.

What do you think of the various pieces of evidence?

Do you think these events could be related with the epic of Gilgamesh? With the Noahic flood?"

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_noah.htm

 

 

[LewisWildermuth]

There is another Theory with admitadly less evidence so far and at the moment I have no links.

But durring the last ice age the red sea and many other areas that are currently under water were lush valleys and plains. The ensing of the ice age is looking more and more abrupt.

So when the seas rose they caught some unaware and thus many probably died in floods. Those that survived by heading inland found a verry inhospitable world and guessed that it had been flooded too.

This seems to explain the sudden appearanse of advanced agriculture and society where there had been none before.

There have been atleast two cities found off india that seem to lend a little more credence to this theory. But underwater archeology is a verry young science and we'll have to wait a while before this theory is falsified or not.

 

[LiveFreeOrDie]

Originally posted by alexgb00
This'll be like a bar -- lots of people screaming and arguing and nobody listening. This topic is too general. It would be a mess.

How can the topic be too general if not one single piece of evidence has been presented?

Choose a more specific topic, maybe.

OK, then.  Present one piece of scientific evidence for a geologically recent global flood and we will discuss it.

I'm waiting....

 

[LiveFreeOrDie]

Pathetic.

 

[LiveFreeOrDie]

Anyone?

Any scientific evidence for a global flood?

 

 

[Jewel]

Hi all, I'm new to the forum. What about the silt layers throughout the world, couldn't that be interpreted as a world wide flood?

 

[Jerry Smith]

Jewel,

I like your handle: I'm a big fan of the singer. Your question is a good one. The answer is, only if it could be shown that they were all deposited at the same time. We see silt layers being deposited in many parts of the world all of the time today, and we know that rivers, streams and bodies of water dry up, change course, etc - so it is reasonable to take the sedimentary deposits found around the world as evidence of past events similar to the ones we see now.

 

[LiveFreeOrDie]

Originally posted by Jewel
Hi all, I'm new to the forum. What about the silt layers throughout the world, couldn't that be interpreted as a world wide flood?

We also see things like fossilized animal burrows in the layers, so we know that each layer took a reasonably long time to form.

And then there are varves, which are alternating layers of light and dark sediments that are deposited one pair per year.  The Green River formation in Wyoming has millions of these layers.

 

 

[Jewel]

Hi Jerry, I didn't expect a reply this quick! Jewel is actually my middle name. I guess that would be a major project testing all the silt layers. Maybe I shouldn't bring this up since I honestly can't remember where is was but I do remember seeing a show once where they found fossils of sea life in the rock formations in one of the deserts in the USA.

 

[Jerry Smith]

Jewel,
I couldn't dig up a reference to it quickly either, but it is not uncommon to find marine fossils in areas where there are no longer any seas. There was a time when much of North America was underwater. There have also been found marine fossils near the peaks of some tall mountains.

The history of the Earth is a long one, and the continents - and the plates they ride on, are constantly moving. New mountains are pushed up, Land surfaces become sea-beds, then become land surfaces again.

Fossil sea life, found on what is now dry land, follows a pattern: The deeper the rocks the fossils are found in, the more primitive they are. If they were all deposited at once by a global flood, then we would expect all the different marine fossils to be mixed together in the same-aged rock. Instead, they are sorted out by kind, with the ones most similar to modern marine creatures being nearest the "top" layer of rock.

 

[Jewel]

Hi LFOD, So you'r saying there is evidence of marine fossils where it really shouldn't be?

 

[Kevin_Gould]

Since only one person who believes in The Flood posted a reasonably thought out conjecture... I a person who doesn't believe in The Flood will offer help to those who do. Its not much, but at least its something.

And I am curious as to why this is...

How about the widespread belief in a flood? That is within different peoples spread throughout the world... a belief that the world was flooded.

 

[Kevin_Gould]

>>Hi LFOD, So you'r saying there is evidence of fossil life (marine) where it really shouldn't be?

Nah, I _think_ he's saying that geological/geographical features change due to natural processes, mountains rise from the collision of continents, rivers change course, earthquakes, plate techtonics(sp?), et cetera. Bringing the fosils with them in their changes.

 

[LiveFreeOrDie]

Originally posted by Jewel
Hi LFOD, So you'r saying there is evidence of fossil life (marine) where it really shouldn't be?

I guess I misinterpreted your post.  I meant to point out that the evidence indicates that the layers were formed very slowly over a time period much longer than the purported duration of the flood.

The marine fossils you were talking about are readily apparent in the limestone layers of the Grand Canyon.  An interesting thing for you to consider also is that some of the layers represent limestone formed on the sea floor, others represent mud from coastal areas, and still others are the lithified remains of old desert sand dunes.

The rock layers of the Earth are compelling evidence -- evidence that the Earth is very old.

 

 

[Kevin_Gould]

Er... I thought you were talking about Jerry till I went back and scanned Jewel. So if the above post seems like nonsense, it was simply me being sloppy in my thinking. Sorry bout that! :-D