If that's true Kevin, how could a place that is an absolute vast desert have these kinds of fossils?
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Evidence for a Global Flood
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This board is too fast for me to keep up. lol Maybe my post wasn't completely off base. Agreed LFOD, the earth is very old as evidences by the geological record... that's why I don't see how YEC's can believe in the earth being young. A flood wouldn't get those different features together... deserts and ocean floors, and plains et cetera, all within miles of each other as evidences by the record.
Only the slow changes of geological immensity can do that. Or a God who really wants to confuse scientists! lol
Only the slow changes of geological immensity can do that. Or a God who really wants to confuse scientists! lol
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Oh my gosh! An evolutionist admitted to sloppy thinking!
Didn't you read your Evil Atheist Conspiracy manual? Never admit an error. Just lie or act stupid instead.
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It wasn't always a vast desert. Geologic evidence shows that most places have experienced a number of climate changes. A place that is a desert now may have been a forest, a jungle, a grassland, or even a shallow sea at different times in the past.
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Jewel, I can't tell you how refreshing it is to hear such an excellent question.
I'm not an expert, so I'll refer you to this web site that describes the geology of the Grand Canyon. The principles involved in its formation are generally applicable to the rest of the Earth, although usually on less dramatic scales.
http://www.kaibab.org/geology/gc_geol.htm
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Quite easily Jewel. Let me try and explain.
The world is in a state of flux, a state of dynamic change. Currently the Sahara is gobbling up grassland and farmland because of drought and mismanagement. Now lets say a small grass eating mouse or something just happened through highly improbably conditions to fosilize itself today. And in a year that area where it is fosilized is total desert.
Some nomad happens upon the find and see the fosilized mouse. He knows what has happened because of course... he's a nomad and was here when the grass stood tall. Now another guy, says some dude from National Geographic comes across it while trecking alongside the nomad's group, and is astounded. How did such a thing get within the desert which now streches for miles.
Through geology. And here we are talking small changes within a year. Geology has had millions of years, billions of years. So that's the scientific explanation, though I admit simplistic. I'm typing for all my worth to answer first. lol
The world is in a state of flux, a state of dynamic change. Currently the Sahara is gobbling up grassland and farmland because of drought and mismanagement. Now lets say a small grass eating mouse or something just happened through highly improbably conditions to fosilize itself today. And in a year that area where it is fosilized is total desert.
Some nomad happens upon the find and see the fosilized mouse. He knows what has happened because of course... he's a nomad and was here when the grass stood tall. Now another guy, says some dude from National Geographic comes across it while trecking alongside the nomad's group, and is astounded. How did such a thing get within the desert which now streches for miles.
Through geology. And here we are talking small changes within a year. Geology has had millions of years, billions of years. So that's the scientific explanation, though I admit simplistic. I'm typing for all my worth to answer first. lol
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If it used to be a sea, it could have marine fossils. The idea is the same (concerning how the fossils got there) - both positions stipulate that the area was once submerged.
Kevin is trying to help point out that the patterns of deposition of both the rock and the fossils in it all support an old Earth, and not a young flood. For instance: you may find fossil whales in the desert, and you may find fossil Pleiousaurs in the desert, but you will never find them in the same layer of rock. If you look at the layers of rock that are found in the Grand Canyon, you will see that each layer was added separately: there are records of seabeds and deserts sandwiched above and below each other in the rock layers from which the Grand Canyon was formed.
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Oh my gosh! An evolutionist admitted to sloppy thinking!
Didn't you read your Evil Atheist Conspiracy manual? Never admit an error. Just lie or act stupid instead.
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Hehe, only did it to catch em off guard! ;-D
Oh my gosh! An evolutionist admitted to sloppy thinking!
Didn't you read your Evil Atheist Conspiracy manual? Never admit an error. Just lie or act stupid instead.
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Hehe, only did it to catch em off guard! ;-D
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Ahhhhhhh! Too many people have answered me at once! I will agree that what everyone has said makes sense about earth and plate changes. I personally think that the earth is old. We really have to look at what is the present day way things like erosion and blah, balh, blah occur and I don't think it changed over night. So would it make the Genesis flood less of an occurance if it was a local flood in the Mesopotamina area? 
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Noah's ark makes sense only in the anthropolical sense, since people would assume that their known niche in the world is the world (look at the world even today!). So I don't see it as a chink in the armor of scripture. I just don't see the reason behind those who hold to it as if it was the words of Jesus.
I haven't followed the literature on the Middle East flood hypothesis... could very well be so. Seems reasonable to me.
I haven't followed the literature on the Middle East flood hypothesis... could very well be so. Seems reasonable to me.
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Originally posted by Jewel
Ahhhhhhh! Too many people have answered me at once! I will agree that what everyone has said makes sense about earth and plate changes. I personally think that the earth is old. We really have to look at what is the present day way things like erosion and blah, balh, blah occur and I don't think it changed over night. So would it make the Genesis flood less of an occurance if it was a local flood in the Mesopotamina area?
Certain YEC's feel that the Biblical account can only describe a global flood. A local flood in the Mesopotamian region would not be inconsistent with the scientific evidence, and many Christians believe that it would not be incompatible with scripture either.
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Originally posted by Jewel
So the problem seems to be the dating of all these layers. Right?
At least part of the problem is with dating, yes.
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I saw the Grand Canyon for the first time last year and I just stood and cried. It is so awesome! I want to go back, once you've seen it you want to see it again!
Did anyone see any of the shows on the History Channel about the Sphinx? There is evidence that the area where the Sphinx and the Pyramids are was subjected to very heavy rainfall at one time in history. The Sphinx shows evidence that especially on its back the rock was worn away by water because the abnormalities in the rock run vertical in trenches like water ran down it for a very long time. But the layers of sandstone and what not have been eroded way horizontally by the wind.
P.S. Thnx for the site on the Grand Canyon Jerry. I marked it and will take the time to look at it.
Did anyone see any of the shows on the History Channel about the Sphinx? There is evidence that the area where the Sphinx and the Pyramids are was subjected to very heavy rainfall at one time in history. The Sphinx shows evidence that especially on its back the rock was worn away by water because the abnormalities in the rock run vertical in trenches like water ran down it for a very long time. But the layers of sandstone and what not have been eroded way horizontally by the wind.
P.S. Thnx for the site on the Grand Canyon Jerry. I marked it and will take the time to look at it.
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I just got back from there myself and I agree it is a very humbling experience.
FWIW that was my link on the GC, not Jerry's (although Jerry has good stuff, too)
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I apologize LFOD. LOL. The posts were comin so fast I lost track of who was who. Similar threads
