Eve came from Adam, evolution does not allow this

[trophy33]

Yes I would. God has many characteristics and names and titles. What is important to understand is that He is real. You on the other hand seem to be saying that God never really created Eve the way it says in Scripture. You are trying to use the fat that there are symbols in the bible to wave away the reality of anything you like or find inconvenient. Jesus is not just a symbol and neither was Adam or Eve or Jonah...etc etc. You are assassinating real people in the bible and rubbing them out. Why? I suggest to worship at the altar of man's wisdom (demon science)

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Hey dust can be a symbol as can a train (gospel train peace train etc) But that does not mean you can park on a railway track because trains are just symbols. If you have a handful of dust thrown in your face you might realize it is more than a symbol also.

Without understanding symbolism (which was so important for the people writing the Bible), you will not (logically) understand what they wrote, properly.

 

[trophy33]

kinda strange how the Theo-Evo sect have to have a second meaning for all the words to make their theology of evolutionism work.

So, you who follow the SDA sect, what do you do with verses saying that we are animals?

 

[dad]

Jesus never said that we should have child like faith, you are (again) misrepresenting both Scriptures and Jesus.

Also, we are not talking about faith, but about understanding Genesis.

Also, you should know about this famous verse:
Brothers, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be mature.
1 Cor 14:20

Hey apparently one apostle thought that it was all fuzzy and symbolic or whatever. But Jesus was real..and had real hands and feet and a side etc.

Joh 20:27 - Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

 

[trophy33]

Hey apparently one apostle thought that it was all fuzzy and symbolic or whatever. But Jesus was real..and had real hands and feet and a side etc.

Are you trying to postulate that Paul's writings are not inspired?

So far you attacked Salomon (who said we are animals) and now Paul (who said we should think like adults).
How far will you go to defend your wrong literal Genesis reading? If you will continue this way, the only book in your Bible will be Genesis.

 

[dad]

You do not agree with the fact that to understand a literature from a totally different era and culture, you need to know something about that era and culture?

No. Sorry. That could help if done in a believing way, but on it's own it would just confuse you apparently. You need to first believe to have something to add depth TO! If all you add is man's history and wisdom, then you have nothing else BUT that.

 

[dad]

kinda strange how the Theo-Evo sect have to have a second meaning for all the words to make their theology of evolutionism work.

Then there is the matter of getting them to stop slithering long enough to actually admit it

 

[trophy33]

No. Sorry. That could help if done in a believing way, but on it's own it would just confuse you apparently. You need to first believe to have something to add depth TO! If all you add is man's history and wisdom, then you have nothing else BUT that.

So, in your idea, you should first read the text wrongly, without knowledge about its meaning, create some belief in your wrong reading and then learn about the culture.

Yeah, really makes sense...

 

[dad]

Without understanding symbolism (which was so important for the people writing the Bible), you will not (logically) understand what they wrote, properly.

To understand anything properly in Scripture we need His Spirit. Otherwise the symbols and meanings and even real characters all fade into mass confusion and lose all reality.

 

[trophy33]

To understand anything properly in Scripture we need His Spirit. Otherwise the symbols and meanings and even real characters all fade into mass confusion and lose all reality.

I agree. We need His Spirit to understand symbols and meanings properly. It does not make us passive and lazy regarding education, though, quite the opposite.

 

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So, you who follow the SDA sect, what do you do with verses saying that we are animals?

I have no problem with being an animal who has a soul.

 

[trophy33]

I have no problem with being an animal who has a soul.

Animals do not have soul, they are souls. They have spirit, not soul.

 

[dad]

Are you trying to postulate that Paul's writings are not inspired?

So far you attacked Salomon (who said we are animals) and now Paul (who said we should think like adults).
How far will you go to defend your wrong literal Genesis reading? If you will continue this way, the only book in your Bible will be Genesis.

Not sure if you read the verse about doubting Thomas? That was the apostle I was talking about that found out things were real.

As for putting away childish things, that does not include belief in God and creation, sorry. It might include doubts, playing silly games, playing around with twisting the bible...etc.

 

[dad]

So, in your idea, you should first read the text wrongly, without knowledge about its meaning, create some belief in your wrong reading and then learn about the culture.

Yeah, really makes sense...

Kindergarten kids can understand correctly the story of Adam and Eve. You seem to have learned your way out of simple faith.

 

[trophy33]

Not sure if you read the verse about doubting Thomas? That was the apostle I was talking about that found out things were real.

As for putting away childish things, that does not include belief in God and creation, sorry. It might include doubts, playing silly games, playing around with twisting the bible...etc.

But it includes putting away childish views like "Genesis was written for a 21st century American, so I can simply understand it as I want, instead of learning what it meant for the people who wrote it".

 

[dad]

I agree. We need His Spirit to understand symbols and meanings properly. It does not make us passive and lazy regarding education, though, quite the opposite.

When 'education' results in not believing Eve was real and created as Genesis says, and also swallowing the theory of evolution you can be certain that what you learned was a steaming pile of doodoo.

 

[trophy33]

Kindergarten kids can understand correctly the story of Adam and Eve. You seem to have learned your way out of simple faith.

5 years old kid:
God made my little sister.

A Scientist:
No, your mom and daddy did.

Yes, small children can understand Genesis in their childish way, quite acceptable for God. But if you want to take this childish understanding to public forums and attack scientists or attack other Christians, who know more details about Genesis, you are doing truly a childish thing.

 

[dad]

But it includes putting away childish views like "Genesis was written for a 21st century American, so I can simply understand it as I want, instead of learning what it meant for the people who wrote it".

It is not a matter of understanding simple stated truths only of belief and unbelief. Assaulting the story of creation with inserted hidden meanings/symbols/allegories/metaphors and etc till the account loses all connection to reality or truth is not understanding anything. It is damaging the brain so that it cannot properly understand!

 

[trophy33]

It is not a matter of understanding simple stated truths only of belief and unbelief. Assaulting the story of creation with inserted hidden meanings/symbols/allegories/metaphors and etc till the account loses all connection to reality or truth is not understanding anything. It is damaging the brain so that it cannot properly understand!

Again, its not "inserted", its not "hidden", its natural for this kind of literature and for the authors.

Its "hidden" for you just because you are used to YEC view and reject to learn more.

 

[dad]

5 years old kid:
God made my little sister.

A Scientist:
No, your mom and daddy did.

Yes, small children can understand Genesis in their childish way, quite acceptable for God. But if you want to take this childish understanding to public forums and attack scientists or attack other Christians, who know more details about Genesis, you are doing truly a childish thing.

If those scientists claim that there was no creation, they require some swift correction. They do not understand creation at all. God's wisdom is far far far far far far far far above man's wisdom. When you try to correct God using the ever changing, hopelessly inadequate purposely partial knowledge of manscience that is worse than childish, it is insane.

 

[dad]

Again, its not "inserted", its not "hidden", its natural for this kind of literature and for the authors.

Its "hidden" for you just because you are used to YEC view and reject to learn more.

The reason your insertions are called hidden is because they are not in the bible, you dug them out of the nether regions to foster unbelief in Genesis.