Evanescence

[ajchz]

I'm going to marry Amy Lee! Great vocalist and pianist.

lol that's funny... She's gonna get marry with on guy called Josh!

I'm so sorry for you, my friend!

BTW, she's marry with me in my dreams, lol!!

 

[Blackguard_]

Evanescence is depressing?

Listen to Esoteric or Shape Of Despair and say that again, I bet you won't mean it.

Ok, I looked up a couple songs from each.

Evanescense is depressing (and I mean it).

Esoteric- Granted, they have much gloomier lyrics [or maybe less, since they are so over-the-top (or should I say "under-the-bottom"?)]. They need a new singer. He literally just screams the lyrics, you can hear him going hoarse, but you can't understand 5/6 of what he says (I had to look up their lyrics). I 'd say he ruins the band.

They're way too over-the-top to be depressing. I'd say Evansensecene is more depressing. (as in effect on the listener, Esoteric sounds like they are much more depressed though)

Depressing lyrics have more impact when you can understand them.

Shape Of Despair- I can't understand a single word. At lest I could recognize Esoretic was screaming in English, but I can't tell what lanquage they're growling in. BUt they probably consider the lyrics a very distant second to "gloomy atmosphere" anyway.

I think they have done a fairly good job of evoking a Gothic (the literary genre) atmosphere, their music evokes cemetaries at midnight and vampires and such. But that's more dark then "depressing". ALthough I would say they are roughly equally depressing as Evenenesce (and much more so than Esoterics)


And so this post isn't completely off-topic...

Their new album, The Open Door,

The Esoterics could take a lesson from this. Evanesence used a bit of subtlety and did not just name the record "Suicide" or something hyperbolic like " Piercing My Broken Heart and Drowning in My Tears" like I think Esoteric would call a record.

 

[Arielles]

I love Evanescence, Amy Lee is an amazing singer.

 

[ajchz]

Some news, their new single is gonna be Sweet Sacrifice.

Also Amy is getting married! We don't know a date yet, but she say that she's very happy!

 

[Blackguard_]

but she say that she's very happy

She claims to be very hapy, but she sings depressing songs and her new album title is a reference to suicide?

Like I said, they were prophecied by Soul Asylum...

They say misery loves company
We could start a company and make misery

Frustrated, Incorporated
Well I know just what you need
I might just have the thing
I know what you'd pay to see

............

Frustrated, Incorporated
Frustrated, Incorporated
Well I know just what you need
I might just have the thing
I know what you'd pay to feel

(This isn;t a complaint, it just means Amy is smart. Seperating over-angsty and/or trendy kids from money is a noble cause. She's the Avril Lavigne of Suicide Rock)

 

[ajchz]

^ well that's YOUR opinion!

did you already listen their new album, or you just post what you think without have a point?

and about "her" depressing songs (first not just Amy write it, also Evanescence isn't just Amy) it depends how do you feel when you listen. And about THEIR new album the open door isn't a reference to suicide, actually if you can see the cover of the album you're gonna see the door open to yourself, that's an interpretation of it...

BTW: isn't acjh is ajchz

 

[Theogonia]

Ok, I looked up a couple songs from each.

Evanescense is depressing (and I mean it).

Esoteric- Granted, they have much gloomier lyrics [or maybe less, since they are so over-the-top (or should I say "under-the-bottom"?)]. They need a new singer. He literally just screams the lyrics, you can hear him going hoarse, but you can't understand 5/6 of what he says (I had to look up their lyrics). I 'd say he ruins the band.

They're way too over-the-top to be depressing. I'd say Evansensecene is more depressing. (as in effect on the listener, Esoteric sounds like they are much more depressed though)

Depressing lyrics have more impact when you can understand them.

Shape Of Despair- I can't understand a single word. At lest I could recognize Esoretic was screaming in English, but I can't tell what lanquage they're growling in. BUt they probably consider the lyrics a very distant second to "gloomy atmosphere" anyway.

I think they have done a fairly good job of evoking a Gothic (the literary genre) atmosphere, their music evokes cemetaries at midnight and vampires and such. But that's more dark then "depressing". ALthough I would say they are roughly equally depressing as Evenenesce (and much more so than Esoterics)


And so this post isn't completely off-topic...



The Esoterics could take a lesson from this. Evanesence used a bit of subtlety and did not just name the record "Suicide" or something hyperbolic like " Piercing My Broken Heart and Drowning in My Tears" like I think Esoteric would call a record.

It's Funeral Doom, you're not really supposed to understand the lyrics, the point is a depressive atmosphere. And yes, if you look up the lyrics that just adds to it.

To each his own, I suppose. All I know is that Evanescence doesn't move me, and those bands do.

Saturnus is another great doom band, they mix singing and growling. Check out the first song from Veronika Decides To Die, talk about atmosphere.

Swallow The Sun is probably my favorite though, their music is the epitome of depressive.

 

[thenewageriseth]

They okay. i especially liked that one song
"My Immortal", is it?
It had a piano playing in background with the lyrics;
"If you cry, I'd wipe away all of tears..."
That one. Decent joint.

 

[Blackguard_]

^ well that's YOUR opinion!

Why yes.

did you already listen their new album, or you just post what you think without have a point?

I'd have a point regardless. Whether I have something to back that point up is the potential problem. And while I wasn't refering to the contents of the new album (just the title) I have since listened to the album and can say; "my position is affirmed".
All have a depressing atmosphere.

"Lacrymosa" in particular, is based on Mozart's "Lacrimosa", part of his Requiem Mass. Funeral music.

Even "Cloud Nine" is depressing.

and about "her" depressing songs (first not just Amy write it, also Evanescence isn't just Amy)

Good point. From now on I'll only refer to the them collectivly.

it depends how do you feel when you listen.

Not really. A depressing song is depressing no matter what mood you're in.

And about THEIR new album the open door isn't a reference to suicide,

The "open door" has long been a reference to suicide

"In sum remember this: the door is open; be not more timid than little children, but as they say, when the thing does not please them, “I will play no longer,” so do you, when things seem to you of such a kind, say I will no longer play, and begone: but if you stay, do not complain."

-The Discourses of Epictetus: Book 1, Chapter 24 (c. 105 AD)

actually if you can see the cover of the album you're gonna see the door open to yourself, that's an interpretation of it...

Well, let's take a look see then...

The door is open to what appears to be Amy, but it's not impossible she's supposed to represent the viewer. The designs (the vines) on the door frame is reminiscent of Romanesque-Gothic church architecture. Notice the pedimant with a circulish shape it? Very reminiscent of the Last Judgement sculptures typical of the pedimants of Romanesque churches, with Christ in the middle in a Nimbus ( full body halo) So she's going into a door very reminicist of a church door. And are those clouds behind the door? Like Heaven? Seems to be an Epictetus' style "open door" to me.

Here's an example of the Romanesque pediments I'm talking about...(they get more triangular in the Gothic and lose the Nimbus)

And here is the line from "all that I'm living for" that mentions the record title.

"lock the last open door- my ghosts are gaining on me"

Sounds like they're (or whoever the songs POV is supposed to be) afraid of being driven to suicide to me.

Think about it. The image of the song is of being chased and tormented, and they want the door locked. Either they want the door locked in front of them so they won't go through it, or they want the door locked behind them so the ghosts can't get to them. And what's on the other side of the door on the record cover? Heaven.

 

[Caedmon]

Slightly dark mainstream band, i.e., she actually gets play-time on the radio. The music isn't a travesty, but it's not great either.

And I agree, Amy's live vocals are horrid.

 

[the_box_of_giggles]

I love them.

 

[BUCKFANDAN]

I think Amy Lee might be a christian, but is bitter at God, cuz in Fallen, some of the songs are christian(like tourniquiet and bring me to life & taking over me), but some seem ANTI christian(Everybodys fool and my last breath?).

Read the lyrics to everybody's fool

 

[Theogonia]

Typical christian. Reading things into songs that aren't there.

Looking at "Everybody's Fool" from a non-biased perspective, it would seem to be about a lover.

Same with "My Last Breath".

 

[Chrome]

i honestly don't like then.

For one, the music isn't that great at all. second, i really don't like how people believe this band to be 'goth' or 'metal' or both. It furthers people's misunderstanding of both genres honestly.

 

[thenewageriseth]

i honestly don't like then.

For one, the music isn't that great at all. second, i really don't like how people believe this band to be 'goth' or 'metal' or both. It furthers people's misunderstanding of both genres honestly.

Goth I can understand. Metal? Un-uhn. Sounds like one of your regular goth, [so-called "Christian"]pop/rock bands.

 

[Chrome]

list of goth rock bands

list of goth metal bands

i don't see this band on neither. Not that wikipedia is the end all be all source for this kind of stuff, but it is extremely reliable

 

[Blackguard_]

If not "lame pseudo-goth rock" or something along those lines, how would you classify them?

list of goth rock bands

I guess Evenanescence isn't artsy or chipper enough to be Goth then.

 

[Chrome]

i could care less how their lyrics are, or even how they dress or are potrayed. In the world of musical genres, they don't classify as neither metal, goth, or even goth metal. I'd just say they are simply hard rock. If a band is called 'goth' because the lead singer/other band members are seen as stereotypically goth, then what would a band be called if there were a bunch of stereotypes with 'gangsta' lyrics or something? Lyrical content and appearance can't really define what kind of music a band is...

In the mid and late 1990s, major record labels, particularly in the United States, began marketing hard rock acts as "gothic" or "industrial" bands. The formerly underground subcultural aesthetic of goth was incorporated into the sound and image of several popular mainstream bands, such as HIM and Marilyn Manson. The goth look became associated in the public's mind with the Hot Topic chain, the "mallgoth" aesthetic, and the Columbine school shooting, which led to the US press's subsequent vilification and scrutiny of goth culture

 

[Theogonia]

i could care less how their lyrics are, or even how they dress or are potrayed. In the world of musical genres, they don't classify as neither metal, goth, or even goth metal. I'd just say they are simply hard rock. If a band is called 'goth' because the lead singer/other band members are seen as stereotypically goth, then what would a band be called if there were a bunch of stereotypes with 'gangsta' lyrics or something? Lyrical content and appearance can't really define what kind of music a band is...

I wasn't aware there was a "goth" style of music. I just thought that "goth" anything was any style of music with "gothic" lyrics or themes.

 

[msdizzydolores]

If I can recall correctly, Evanescence was an UNDERGROUND Christian band before they hit the mainstream.

After they found success they had issues with being called a Christian band...they started cursing in interviews and displaying behavior their long time fans were shocked by.

Christian retailers actually pulled their music from the shelves and since then it has people questioning their Christian roots, etc.

I loved Fallen and My Immortal was one of my favorite songs. There are hints of Christian imagery and themes in that entire album but not enough for me to consider them Christian anymore. My opinion is she has crossed over to the dark side and doesnt know how to come back...But as I said, thats my opinion....the new vids make me feel that way.