Euthanasia

[sk8Joyful]

You mean some kind of "Hey Merlin, what the heck are you talking about?" thread?

You know, Konkurrent, I checked your CF-homepage - and note were you said: "From the stance of a follower of Christ the ONLY thing that matters is: whether or not you have accepted his payment for your sins. And you're following his example." (actually, I reversed the order of 2 right actions you listed)

Now since you claim *being a Christ-ian*, then
you will understand that when JESUS (Yes, the TRUE "God") was on earth,
walking visible amongst us, how many people?? had a Clue what Jesus was "talking" about...

Jesus even *personally-Trained* 12+ people, as main Teachers to carry-on His work, yet
what was JESUS' success-rate with them?? - After 3 whole years, they still remained baffled confused, faltering in Simple-faith, no less. Even mentored by Jesus, on a daily basis.

Now Merlin ain't a god (never has she, nor ever will she make the mistake of thinking that.
Unlike
most 'MD's', as that's how they're "schooled" to think of themselves, and consequently,
their ego expects "patient compliance" (obedience) ~ Even as more willful "treatment" (than not) Harms, Dis-figures, Dis-members & Kills day-in, and day-out.

Merlin's clients, or *Students* (a more accurate description) discover fast, "what she's talking about"
for in Merlin's *presence: they experience* what "PainFREE-(anything), or self-HEALing" can help each achieve/enjoy...
So, what Merlin (and me & others so engaged) are saying is: You can't really understand what it's about, without having the *experience*.
For example, I'm also a Figure-skating student. Now, my coach can tell me about, and
demonstrate all "XYZ-maneuvers", 'til the cows come home. BUT not until I'm actually "skating...(practicing ) XYZ", am I gonna know what she's on about... and yes then,
my Coach's *gold-medal-awarded* wisdom increasingly makes "sense"

Comprende? re this analogy.

Which would be more appropriate, someone else starting a thread, that by its very nature could be considered an attack on you...

"Attacking" someone, *wiser* than you at this point, is nothing new.
They even "crucified" Jesus; and He IS *GOD*. ~

That Merlin (or myself, and others like us) is "attacked", is no reflection on us.

It does say alot about people - with nary a clue - as to the (harmless), completely beneficial and GOD-*honoring & praise-worthy* joyful-work we are choosing engaging ourselves in... - while yet, the suffering are increasing in their problem(s). And they fail, even in understanding 'this correlation'.

OR
Taking the initiative, and standing up for yourself by simply answering the question yourself, so that this thread isn't derailed by the suspicious nature of your evasive remarks?

JESUS DID "take the Initiative" as you're aware (from the Bible), and
He stood "UP for His work". He wasn't evasive, and He "answered" *simply*, Konkurrent.
Did the people (who He was teaching to *enlighten*) understand GOD, better?? -
or did fools suspiciously treat him like dirt !! anyway.

For example, re Jesus' Loving-suggestion: "Become as a *LITTLE child*, or
ye shall in no wise Inherit the Kingdom (of Heaven); you know as in "Life-*ABUNDANT*"."
Konkurrent ~ how Well do you understand?? Jesus Loving-suggestions.
This eminently, powerful TRUTH was *very non-evasively, & most simply* wisely stated;
yet
most "christians" today evidently have no more a clue about this,
than did the people who ended-up Crucifying our Savior.
Now how sadly sick are both of those..

Konkurrent ~ I ask you again: *how Well* do you understand *Living as a *LITTLE child*

You brought up pain control, as an argument against euthanasia.

and THANK GOD , that Merlin does

Jesus (as Creator of ALL life in the 1st. place), evidently "supports" LIFE, Imagine it! Yes,
GOD is *Pro-LIFE*
As such, you will not find Jesus "supporting" : Abortions, Fetal stemcell-farming, Euthanasia, Dis-figuring, Dis-membering, Harming, Maiming, (most) Organ-Transplants", etc atrocities.

JESUS (Designed, Created, Resurrected) & Suggested us, *each* of His children, to HEAL.

Cheers!

Annie

 

[belladonic-haze]

I'll stick to my guns on this.Assisted suicide is actually murder and suicide.Make no mistake, there is nothing in the Bible that provides for either.Hell lasts forever. Earthly torment does not.

So, we have to suffer because then we will go to heaven? That is BS. Don't you agree that not all things in life are certain? We Christians could be wrong and there would be NO heaven or hell and than you have suffered for NOTHING....for absolute zero! I'll take my changes and risk hell rather than to suffer the earthly torment. Personally I do not think God throws you in Hell for not wanting endure excruciating pains and humiliating situations caused by some fricking horrifc disease........God is a God of love and HE is the ONLY one that can look in someone's heart. He will understand....He will.

 

[belladonic-haze]

sk8Joyful, You've never answered my qyestion about self-healing. Can I heal myself? I am serious here.

So, how do I self-heal my cardiomyopathy and heartfaillure?

 

[belladonic-haze]

As such, you will not find Jesus "supporting" : Abortions, Fetal stemcell-farming, Euthanasia, Dis-figuring, Dis-membering, Harming, Maiming, (most) Organ-Transplants", etc atrocities

Oh cool, so Jesus wants me to slowly die step by step and I will not be allowed to get a new heart? But I cannot end my live either? What death does God wants me to have??????

How compassioned..........NOT

I believe you are just full of it......the nonsense I mean. Who do you think gave medical scientist their brains to help people to live? GOD! Through medical science God heals people....and those He cannot help will be taken in His hands when they decide to step out........

Sheesh

And what is with all the blinding colors????

 

[Konkurrent]

sk8Joyful - I honestly have tried to read your post several times. The chaotic mix of smilies, colors, random capitalization and confusing formatting makes it impossible for me to organize and comprehend the points you're trying to make with any certainty. Highlighting just makes it worse, honestly.

If you'd like to be nice to those of us who process visual information differently than the average person you could use a better contrasting color choice and then not alter it at random through your post. It makes it nearly impossible for me to register the shapes as words.

What I was able to determine is that you're trying to draw parallels between Merlin and Christ.

I didn't know anyone aside from crazy cult leaders had the audacity to compare themselves or any living person and the Son of God. (For the record, no, not all Christians believe that Christ was God. Some believe he was the Son of God. You can disagree with them if you like, but I personally find it more useful to not froth at the mouth and call them heretics. It's not actually possible to prove they're wrong without saying "well I believe..." at some point, which completely stalls against them saying the same thing back. Believe me, I've tried.)


Don't forget, you don't know me and you have no idea how much I know about the supernatural. You don't know my history, you don't know my education, and you don't know my personal experience with it.

For all you know I have a better understanding of it than you can imagine.


Personally I suspect that this has more to do with the vaguery being demonstrated here. There's the very real potential that the method being touted is one that someone else (such as myself) is familiar with and can give a more complete truth on.

Not to mention there are more than a few "healing power" methods out there that are far more sinister in origin than would appear at the surface.

Not all power comes directly from God, after all.

 

[sk8Joyful]

sk8Joyful,
You've never answered my qyestion about self-healing. Can I heal myself? I am serious here.

yes, I am serious as well.
It would never occur to me to toy, carelessly, re people's Health & Well-being.

Yesterday, I had 2 posts (one addressing your question) citing 3 *unique* Individuals' examples.

So, how do I self-heal my cardiomyopathy and heartfaillure?

True, some (very, very few) can successfully *heal* by themselves. BUT
it would be ghastly criminal of me to suggest this, for your symptomology

You do it, by *being Guided... in this "Healing...process"*.

Are you still interested??, in having me (re-type) my post to you, from yesterday.
(I'm a Slow typist; and I need to be at work, in 6 hours, & need some sleep)

Annie

 

[belladonic-haze]

yes, I am serious as well.
It would never occur to me to toy, carelessly, re people's Health & Well-being.

Yesterday, I had 2 posts (one addressing your question) citing 3 *unique* Individuals' examples.


True, some (very, very few) can successfully *heal* by themselves. BUT
it would be ghastly criminal of me to suggest this, for your symptomology

You do it, by *being Guided... in this "Healing...process"*.

Are you still interested??, in having me (re-type) my post to you, from yesterday.
(I'm a Slow typist; and I need to be at work, in 6 hours, & need some sleep)

Annie

No thanks, for someone who disapproves of organ transplant - and tells me Jesus disapproves of it - I cannot put myself in their hands. If you'd never had uttered these nonsense, I would have taking you more serious, but no thanks...

 

[sk8Joyful]

sk8Joyful - I honestly have tried to read your post several times.
If you'd like to be nice to those of us, who process visual information differently than the average person you could use a better contrasting color choice and then not alter it at random through your post. It makes it nearly impossible for me to register the shapes as words.

I write it the way I do, because some people (Highly-visually-organized), like myself - have told me: "THANKS !, now I can understand your understanding,
better"
In the event this is not true for you, simply remove ~ my Stars, Smilies, & Capitalizations

What I was able to determine is that you're trying to draw parallels between Merlin and Christ.

No, you missed the point, entirely.

Don't forget,
you don't know me and you have no idea how much I know about the supernatural. You don't know my history, you don't know my education, and you don't know my personal experience with it.
For all you know I have a better understanding of it than you can imagine.

None, who understands abit about the *mind* (no, not the human-brain), vote in favor of

"Euthanasia": another of Satan's 'sinister, dark inspirations'

So evidently, you're missing a few puzzle-pieces. And yes, let's just be truthfully-HUMBLY-honest here, and admit that ALL humans lack *most of GOD's puzzle-pieces*.

That said, the Joyful-work we're engaged in, feeble to it is, yet it *Succeeds in getting a person what he, or she, Wants...* - in the dimensions open to us

Not to mention there are more than a few "healing power" methods out there that are far more sinister in origin than would appear at the surface.

Not all power comes directly from God, after all.

yes,
after 3 Organizations managed killing 4 of my family members, & (almost) one of our daughters,

we've chosen the way of LIFE-*abundant*, Jesus offers
*each* (He, being no "respector of persons") of His children...

Annie

 

[sk8Joyful]

No thanks,
for someone who disapproves of organ transplant - and tells me Jesus disapproves of it -

Surely, you're not suggesting that JESUS "raised the dead" - via Organ-transplants??.

I cannot put myself in their hands.

Not to worry.

People, I successfully guide (of their own choosing) *back to a Rich-life* ~ are each individuals, the Medical-"professions" summarily write-OFF, as "hopeless".

By all means, keep trusting the 'Medical-profession' for ALL your needs.

If you'd never had uttered these nonsense, I would have taking you more serious, but no thanks...

Fare thee Well... Annie

 

[kopilo]

You know, Konkurrent, I checked your CF-homepage - and note were you said: "From the stance of a follower of Christ the ONLY thing that matters is: whether or not you have accepted his payment for your sins. And you're following his example." (actually, I reversed the order of 2 right actions you listed)

Red herring?

As such, you will not find Jesus "supporting" : Abortions, Fetal stemcell-farming, Euthanasia, Dis-figuring, Dis-membering, Harming, Maiming, (most) Organ-Transplants", etc atrocities.

You will not find Jesus supporting the use of computers either.

Note: I've only including the parts of your post that I am bothering to reply to.

 

[kopilo]

"Euthanasia": another of Satan's 'sinister, dark inspirations'

Geez, you seem to know Satan so well, did you discuss this with Satan over coffee or something?
...

 

[LightHorseman]

Originally Posted by sk8Joyful

"Euthanasia": another of Satan's 'sinister, dark inspirations'

Quote your source for this please? Its a major claim, I'd like to see some support.

 

[sk8Joyful]

Geez,
you seem to know Satan so well,
did you discuss this with Satan over coffee or something?
...

much fun for 'you', to "quote words, out of Context" - only
to keep right on running... to the next... post for the same thing.
your "Hit-&-Runs" (wasteful bandwidth) are only good for one thing: Upping your post count.

 

[LightHorseman]

Well I'm not trying to quote anyone out of context, I'm asking you a direct question though

 

[kopilo]

much fun for 'you', to "quote words, out of Context" - only
to keep right on running... to the next... post for the same thing.
your "Hit-&-Runs" (wasteful bandwidth) are only good for one thing: Upping your post count.

Explain how it is out of context, my browser even seperates it into three lines.

None, who understands abit about the *mind* (no, not the human-brain), vote in favor of

"Euthanasia": another of Satan's 'sinister, dark inspirations'

So evidently, you're missing a few puzzle-pieces. And yes, let's just be truthfully-HUMBLY-honest here, and admit that ALL humans lack *most of GOD's puzzle-pieces*.

Shame I don't need to try a personal attack and say that someone is trying to up their post count. If you want to do that there are much easier threads on this board to do so. Ohh and this is in response to your red herring.

Next time don't presume.

 

[belladonic-haze]

Surely, you're not suggesting that JESUS "raised the dead" - via Organ-transplants??.


Not to worry.

People, I successfully guide (of their own choosing) *back to a Rich-life* ~ are each individuals, the Medical-"professions" summarily write-OFF, as "hopeless".

By all means, keep trusting the 'Medical-profession' for ALL your needs.

So, my life isn't rich and wonderful because I am ill???

Woaw, that is what I call a slippery slope....because, you have no idea how wonderful rich my life is and I am NOT talking about money here.......

And I am NOT written off as hopeless by medical science because they will give me a new heart when they believe I am ready for it (and that is hopefully in 20 years or so)....but you just claimed this:

As such, you will not find Jesus "supporting" : Abortions, Fetal stemcell-farming, Euthanasia, Dis-figuring, Dis-membering, Harming, Maiming, (most) Organ-Transplants", etc atrocities.

You are the one that makes people think that people like me are atrocities....I know a few of these "atrocities", young people who got a new heart and lungs. They can do so many things with their lives now....and they are NOT atrocities in the eyes of God and Jesus.....

 

[sk8Joyful]

Quote:
Originally Posted by sk8Joyful

"Euthanasia": another of Satan's 'sinister, dark inspirations'

Quote your source for this please?

Its a major claim, I'd like to see some support.

The Giver-of-LIFE *abundantly* already was examplified in my post, to Konkurrent. Feel free to review such, there.

(I have no interest in Satan's methodologies - other than to AVOID them)

People's errant rudeness in this thread, has already made Merlin leave. I take more abuse than her, but now I am gone, as well...

Fare thee Well.

Annie

 

[belladonic-haze]

Quote:
Originally Posted by sk8Joyful

"Euthanasia": another of Satan's 'sinister, dark inspirations'

The Giver-of-LIFE *abundantly* already was examplified in my post, to Konkurrent. Feel free to review such, there.

(I have no interest in Satan's methodologies - other than to AVOID them)

People's errant rudeness in this thread, has already made Merlin leave. I take more abuse than her, but now I am gone, as well...

Fare thee Well.

Annie

Abuse?

you can say ill people do not have a rich life and that people who had organ transplants, and who had euthanasia and so on are according to Jesus atrocities and we abuse you????

Okay, have a good life.........

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

You should have realized that it is impossible to reason with her at least ten pages ago.

It takes a certain amount of perceptive selectiveness in order to characterize each and every Ph.D. as a hubris-infested servant-of-Satan who believes himself to be godlike. And this selectiveness will usually make any kind of meaningful conversation impossible.

It's the same with my fiancé's Great-Aunt: the kind old lady is a staunch supporter of Anthroposophy and violently opposed to what she calls "Schulmedizin" (a derogatory term that roughly translates as "scholarly medicine", but carries strong connotations of closed-mindedness and dogmatism). She'd rather see her great-grandchildren die from a measles-infection that spreads to the brain or heart than see them subjected to the Great Evil of vaccination, which according to her "undermines the natural resistances of the body".

 

[ttreg]

sk8joyful why does jesus disagree with most and not all transplants?