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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
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True, but I've got a nice tie-in.
See, many people who oppose euthanasia try to cloud the issue by using the "example" of lesser illnesses or conditions. They build a strawman and then tear it down by saying, "well by your logic we should just kill anyone with a bad flu" (for example).
They fail to pay attention to the fact that nearly every proponent of euthanasia does NOT support ending someone's life without their prior consent.
No one (that I know of) seriously argues in favor of putting the poor, the mildly ill, or even the recently-diagnosed terminally ill "out of their misery" as a matter of course.
Rather, we advocate respecting the rights of the individual by allowing them to decide (within appropriate circumstances) when they've had all the slow dying they're willing to tolerate and are ready to move on.
They want to paint us as "kill 'em all" types. Well how about a little turn-about? They can be the "you must suffer to death" types.
Why not simply enforce torture for all dying people - since the suffering clearly isn't to be avoided?
(And for those about to hit reply and attack this last bit here's a tip: I'm being deliberately exaggerative.)
See, many people who oppose euthanasia try to cloud the issue by using the "example" of lesser illnesses or conditions. They build a strawman and then tear it down by saying, "well by your logic we should just kill anyone with a bad flu" (for example).
They fail to pay attention to the fact that nearly every proponent of euthanasia does NOT support ending someone's life without their prior consent.
No one (that I know of) seriously argues in favor of putting the poor, the mildly ill, or even the recently-diagnosed terminally ill "out of their misery" as a matter of course.
Rather, we advocate respecting the rights of the individual by allowing them to decide (within appropriate circumstances) when they've had all the slow dying they're willing to tolerate and are ready to move on.
They want to paint us as "kill 'em all" types. Well how about a little turn-about? They can be the "you must suffer to death" types.
Why not simply enforce torture for all dying people - since the suffering clearly isn't to be avoided?
(And for those about to hit reply and attack this last bit here's a tip: I'm being deliberately exaggerative.)
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Konkurrent
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Not every new word has to be a real word.
I've told my wife on occassion that she's the "awesome-est" person I know. It may not be in the dictionary, but that's a word because my wife is the awesome-est.
And I'll have words with anyone who says otherwise.
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Harlan Norris
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What are you thinking?It looks to me like you have a fairly good life.Your posting on the computer.Likely as not you have a roof over your head,clothes to wear and friends.There are people that have it much worse that still want to live.Hang in.This is the only life one gets.Live it to the fullest.Get involved.Maybe you could help others like yourself.Time passes quickly.It'll be over before we know it.
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While I'm in support of euthenasia, I think it has to be monitored and regulated very closely. I'd suggest a specialists opinion, a second opinion and probably a psyche consult, to be in aggreance with the individual.
Questions of vegetative state are a bit more iffy.
But overall, morally, I have no problems with the terminally and painfully ill ending their lives. I know I would.
Questions of vegetative state are a bit more iffy.
But overall, morally, I have no problems with the terminally and painfully ill ending their lives. I know I would.
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Seems to me you have no idea....It's not about dying. it's about living with dignity....
Believe me, I live life to the fullest. I laugh everyday. I LOVE life.
Quality of life indeed. NOT QUANTITY.
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Harlan Norris
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It seems to me that you don't get it.All the things you describe are what life amounts to.Shure there is pain and misery,but if one takes their eye off of that,they will see beauty.
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As a rule, words ending in "us" take the latinate plural suffix "ii", rather than the Anglicised "es".
e.g. octopii, platypii, tyranosaurii
Whether virus should be virii really depends on whether it comes from a latin route term. Since virus comes from the latin term for "poison", it is therefore reasonable to assume that virii is technically correct, although to be honest I have never heard, or thought of the term before today (I'm a nurse). I will, however, be making an effort to use the term from now on.
I suspect that viruses is as correct as "fishes", "octopuses" or "sheeps"
e.g. octopii, platypii, tyranosaurii
Whether virus should be virii really depends on whether it comes from a latin route term. Since virus comes from the latin term for "poison", it is therefore reasonable to assume that virii is technically correct, although to be honest I have never heard, or thought of the term before today (I'm a nurse). I will, however, be making an effort to use the term from now on.
I suspect that viruses is as correct as "fishes", "octopuses" or "sheeps"
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Jane_the_Bane
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And she *does* see that. How's that realization conflicting with the notion of ending your life in an extreme situation that will result in your untimely and exceedingly painful and/or unworthy death anyway?
Why the obsession with forcing people to live as long as possible, no matter how they suffer, no matter what their condition is like, and no matter whether they wish to live on or not?
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Please explain to me how I tell my patient with secondary lung metasteses and boney mets, and a fungating tumour of the jaw that has eaten into his ear canal, with a secondary infection, which needs the bloody green mucus syringed out through a hole in his neck every few hours... PLEASE tell me how I can get him to "take his eye off the pain"?
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Jane_the_Bane
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UGH! That made me cringe! And I'm not even a native speaker, mind you!
"Sheeps", oh my goodness! Why not "childs" and "oxes", while we're at it? Or "mans" and "womans"?
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Further...
FACT: 1 in 100,000 children may die from alergic reaction to vaccines
FACT: Vaccines save MORE than 1 in 100,000
therefore, we are apparently prepared to sacrifice that one child who WILL die of the vaccine, for the MANY children who WON'T die, of, say, whooping cough
So, we are clearly already prepared to kill people for the greater medical good of the community, just not in SPECIFIC cases... which I can only equate with personal squeamishness
FACT: 1 in 100,000 children may die from alergic reaction to vaccines
FACT: Vaccines save MORE than 1 in 100,000
therefore, we are apparently prepared to sacrifice that one child who WILL die of the vaccine, for the MANY children who WON'T die, of, say, whooping cough
So, we are clearly already prepared to kill people for the greater medical good of the community, just not in SPECIFIC cases... which I can only equate with personal squeamishness
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Oh Jane the Bane, you ARE a honey... say you'll be mine and we can be petulently pedantic about other people's attrocious grammar into the night together
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So, we should suffer, because there is always a silver lining? What if even that silver lining is gone. Have you any idea how strong a human body is. It can hold on much longer sometimes then the mind sometimes is set too.
People die....let people die on their own terms if they are terminally ill.
Why is it that people think of death as someting seperate? Where there is life there is death and visa versa......there is no death without life. Death is as much a part of life as eating and drinking. It's nothing we should fear...because that is the only thing that is certain in life......we are all going to die......ALL living things will die sooner or later. To give life to all new living things.
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Well I learn something every day
what about bronchus, vilus, platypus? their plurals are "ii", but the root isn't "ius", just "us"?
what about bronchus, vilus, platypus? their plurals are "ii", but the root isn't "ius", just "us"?
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