Euthanasia

[Shannonkish]

Where, in the Bible?, did Christ say: 'Medical-doctors *cure* dis-eases'

Where in the Bible does it say that MDs don't cure dieases?

 

[Illuminatus]

How does one CHOOSE a coma? Please enlighten me, I would love to put myself in a coma for about 3 weeks!

Yeah, spill. It seems like a good way to get a medical exemption from my midterms.

 

[Yusuf Evans]

wat is ur viewpnt on euthanasia?

See, this is where every adult needs to draw up a will and a power of attorney, once they reach the age of 18 or not living under their guardian's roof. In the will, you will specifically state whether you want to be on artificial life support or not, and what to do in that case. As for the power of attorney, you get to nominate who you want to take care of your personal affairs in your abscence, medical or other reasons. I think this would solve allot of bickering and whining. Will I address the OP directly, nope, I will not.

 

[Shannonkish]

See, this is where every adult needs to draw up a will and a power of attorney, once they reach the age of 18 or not living under their guardian's roof. In the will, you will specifically state whether you want to be on artificial life support or not, and what to do in that case. As for the power of attorney, you get to nominate who you want to take care of your personal affairs in your abscence, medical or other reasons. I think this would solve allot of bickering and whining. Will I address the OP directly, nope, I will not

I think we all saw how well Power Of Attorney worked with the Schivo case..... needless to say, Power of Attorney doesn't amount to much...

 

[Kathryn13]

The Bible clearly says "Don't murder". Killing yourself is murder. Letting someone else kill you just because you don't want to live any more is murdering your self. There for Euthenasia is a sin in my belief.

 

[Shannonkish]

Kathryn,

according to your beliefs and the definition of Euthanasia---

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n. The act or practice of ending the life of an individual suffering from a terminal illness or an incurable condition, as by lethal injection or the suspension of extraordinary medical treatment.

My family commited Euthanasia... thereby... murder... because we didn't allow my mom to suffer any further. Even though her prognosis was death--- we had 2 options--- continue giving her platelet transfusions and keeping her on a breathing machine thereby prolonging the inevitable.... or we could make her as comfortable as possible and remove the platelet transfusions (which was the only thing keeping her alive)

 

[Cerberus~]

Killing yourself is murder.

No it's not. That's just silly.

 

[CCGirl]

I took my dog in to be "put to sleep", it was a beautiful way to end his long life.

I also would like the same opportunity to leave this earthly existance in such a painfree way. He was given a drug to fall asleep, then injected with an overdose of anesthetic!

Peaceful! If we do it to animals, we should at least have the right to do it to humans!

 

[sk8Joyful]

As a Christian
1. I have no problem with someone having a living will and not wanting machines, tubes and such.

2. Removing someone from all forms of man made intervention, and overdosing them to kill them are two different things.

3. I have no problem letting someone go naturally with medication to ease pain but assisted suicide and euthanasia are suicide and murder to me.

Well ,
1. you're entitled (like everyone should be) to *your own opinion*, re 'living Wills': yet
how experienced are you? with how such are being misused/ignored/abused in medical-arenas??.
(most of what goes on behind the scenes there, people who don't work in it, are not aware of);
sad but true.

2. Dead-people are still dead, it matters not by what means.

3. Right, re: 'assisted suicide and euthanasia are suicide and murder' to me. - And
not just to *you AND me*; but to God, who creates us each/all in the 1st. place.

And I am sure glad (as each human being gets to Account for their life before the GOD of us all),
I won't have on my conscience:
the numerous-means whereby billions of human sacrifices are innocently slaughtered, in
the holy name of 'science'. -
and
yet GOD/Christ, in the meantime, must watch that sacrilege continue...

 

[sk8Joyful]

Why is it wrong to control your own death? Again you've made death out to be the enemy.
What's wrong what weighing the quality of life against quantity of life?

Sorry: you've got this way backwards.
Rather than 'KILLing people FASTer to END their suffering';

how about U help people, humanitarianly, to *BEST their LIFE*: Now, turn your own life into a Festival worth celebrating, along with anybody else you *care enuf about, to Helpchange*

With such contributions, you'll have something *worthwhile* to add to discussions...

 

[Cerberus~]

Sorry: you've got this way backwards.
Rather than 'KILLing people FASTer to END their suffering';

how about U help people, humanitarianly, to *BEST their LIFE*: Now, turn your own life into a Festival worth celebrating, along with anybody else you *care enuf about, to Helpchange*

With such contributions, you'll have something *worthwhile* to add to discussions...

You're a strange bird, aren't you?

You side-stepped my question. Helping someone to "humanitarianly best their life" (are you on acid?) only goes so far when their very existence in synonymous with pain. When they can not move. When they simply can't enjoy life. There comes a point when life simply isn't worth living.

Why is death so bad? From you posts, it sounds like you think ppl like Teri Schiavo should be kept alive idefinitely. Being kept alive and trapped in a decrepped body, with little human contact, for decades. Hell, pure and simple.

 

[In A Perfect World]

billions[/b] of human sacrifices are innocently slaughtered, in
the holy name of 'science'.

I'd like to know where you are getting billions from?

How many people have been killed in the name of science? Do you have facts to support your stance?

 

[Electric Sceptic]

Well ,
1. you're entitled (like everyone should be) to *your own opinion*, re 'living Wills': yet
how experienced are you? with how such are being misused/ignored/abused in medical-arenas??.
(most of what goes on behind the scenes there, people who don't work in it, are not aware of);
sad but true.

If living wills are being misused, then the answer is to better police their use, rather than to scrap the idea.

2. Dead-people are still dead, it matters not by what means.

Yes, so what?

3. Right, re: '

assisted suicide and euthanasia are suicide and murder' to me.

Perhaps they are - to YOU. That does not mean they are to everyone.

not just to *you AND me*; but to God, who creates us each/all in the 1st. place.

That's your opinion, and it's fine that you have that opinion, but it's by no means provable, nor even agreed with by all believers in god, nor is it even consistent. As such, is your religious belief a valid basis to legislate and prevent all from acting?

I won't have on my conscience:
the numerous-means whereby billions of human sacrifices are innocently slaughtered, in
the holy name of 'science'.

I don't know what this has to do with anything. What 'billions' slaughtered in 'the holy name of "science"'? What does this have to do with euthenasia?

yet GOD/Christ, in the meantime, must watch that sacrilege continue...

And, of course, GOD/Christ, being omnipotent, could stop this 'sacrilege' if he chose to.

Sorry: you've got this way backwards.
Rather than 'KILLing people FASTer to END their suffering';

how about U help people, humanitarianly, to *BEST their LIFE*: Now, turn your own life into a Festival worth celebrating, along with anybody else you *care enuf about, to Helpchange*

I've no idea what your experience with terminally ill people is, but based on the above, I have to guess that it's small. You can't help people "best their life" when that life is a constant misery of pain. Telling people to "best their life" when they are in unremitting agony with no hope of ever getting better; when they are bedridden and incontinent; when they are losing their mind and sporadically fail to recognise their wives, husbands and chihldren; all of these are just silly and pointless.

With such contributions, you'll have something *worthwhile* to add to discussions...

Sorry, but "worthwhile" does not equate to "agrees with sk8Joyful". Those who have posted in this thread and disagreed with you have made worthwhile contributions to the discussion, despite the fact that you disagree with them.

 

[sk8Joyful]

I am very much in support of euthanasia (especially in some cases ):
I don't want to be a turnip kept alive by artificial means.

GREAT ! : Simply sign your 'Organ-gift' card now, & at very 1st. chance you get, become a Donor.
Science is looking for more Volunteers.

And my wife, a supposed catholic (but really a deist), empatically stated to me she doesn't want to end up like Schiavo - she wants me to pull the plug!!

Great,
again : that's what *choice* is (or should be) what it's all about, as GOD originally designed it.
(no, not the medical-deities, either) We're talking THE-*god*. -
It's amazing, how often people can't tell the difference between the two, anymore.

As Lycaenidae stated, all this god's will stuff is a crock.
If it was all god's will we wouldn't have doctors and modern medicine and
people would just pray to god to cure them of cancer and grevious wounds.

Jest -
Hold yer horses, there feller! Just because *you, personally*don't know:
How to help a person change their own 'Cancering'-strategies, does *not* by any stretch of the imagination mean: Others haven't done so, aren't doing it now, nor that they won't continue...
helping bring about such wonderful changes.
Pardon me:
but here, hadn't you better allow a person, who actually *knows* what they're talking about,
speak re such matters??

My life is mine, if I want to hasten it's end so be it.
IF
a (close relative - spouse, child) has indicated they don't want to be kept alive in certain circumstances, then I should have the right to honour those wishes.

Sure -
no questions asked, re how: God granted *every of His Human-children* the right to FREE-will.

Tho, getting the 'medical-deities' to HONOR OUR GOD in this way, is a REAL-problem.
And they don't - why? -
Because in 'medical-school' they're taught: 'You are synonymous with GOD. You ARE *god*. -
Ever heard this little saying ?:
'Power corrupts. And absolute-power corrupts absolutely'.
and
as well: Power is not to be confused with *Wisdom*.

Stop trying to impose your interpretation of morality on everyone else.

so we should all just live by your (currently myopic) 'interpolation' ?

But really, to me it's a *quality-of-life* issue.

True -
it is: a *quality-of-life* issue. I grant you that.
And
may I ask: when was the last time *you, personally* helped a Sufferer change to Living-life MORE-abundantly, as Christ commissioned each of us, to be about doing...

I should like to have you come here, to jubilantly share about this, SIR.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

again : that's what *choice* is (or should be) what it's all about, as GOD originally designed it.

You mean, of course, as YOU BELIEVE god originally designed it.

(no, not the medical-deities, either) We're talking THE-*god*. -
It's amazing, how often people can't tell the difference between the two, anymore.

What "medical-deities"? If you're talkinga bout doctors, nobody thinks of them as deities - that's just paranoia.

Tho, getting the 'medical-deities' to HONOR OUR GOD in this way, is a REAL-problem.
And they don't - why? -
Because in 'medical-school' they're taught: 'You are synonymous with GOD. You ARE *god*. -

That is complete nonsense.

so we should all just live by your (currently myopic) 'interpolation' ?

Yet you are saying we all should live by YOUR (myopic?) interpretation.

True -
it is: a *quality-of-life* issue. I grant you that.
And
may I ask: when was the last time *you, personally* helped a Sufferer change to Living-life MORE-abundantly, as Christ commissioned each of us, to be about doing...

Back to this nonsense...you cannot help someone to live life more abundantly when that life is constant agony, bedridden, etc...

 

[In A Perfect World]

I'm still looking for the event I must have missed in history class where billions of people were slaughtered in the name of science

 

[sk8Joyful]

If living wills are being misused, then the answer is to better 'police' their use, rather than to scrap the idea.

Hey,
Thank you: your response is more polite than some here.
So,
you wish to POLICE what?: People/Doctors into living more God-respectful lives, eh? - so,
do *you* know something GOD didn't, BEFORE we were all/each created by Him?
Now
re 'Living Wills': for when (sometimes) people get to decide: 'How do I wanna DIE'.
yes, humanity is excellent in contriving unending solutions for this problem, sadly so.
BUT,
what for Folks: more Interested in Living...the kind of Abundance Christ keeps offering us.
We should have rights to our choices, as well:
(and again, it can/is just as easily abused, as any other Legal-documents: http://www.nrlc.org/euthanasia/willtolive/ ; aka *WILL-to-LIVE*-documents.

That's your opinion, and it's fine that you have that opinion.
As such, is your religious belief a valid basis to Legislate and prevent all from acting?

in the USA alone: Organized-crime is Legal, alive & well:
(and not just how people usually think of that); but also
in Govt., Medicine, Education, Religion, Business, Prisons, etc.
so -
some of us, who don't agree with those state-of-affairs, are of the opinion, that we have a Right
to let our voices be heard, as well. why?
have you heard: EVIL triumphs, much sooner... when GOOD-people to allow it to happen.
I, for one, intend to be counted, on GOD's side. Thank you.

What 'billions' slaughtered in 'the holy name of science ? What does this have to do with euthenasia?

More,
than you at this point suspect obviously - and don't expect to have your questions answered by your Public-school people either. - It ain't hard to get the answers, but it does require that you (still-inside-you) have ability for *Thinking beyond the box*. And I am confident you do

And, of course, GOD/Christ, being omnipotent, could stop this 'sacrilege' if he chose to.

And GOD will -
tho, He'll wait until satan has succeeded in destroying most of the world's population, before He will STOP this 'sacrilege'.
And
*i* (as His little child) think (satan's ways) are so WASTE-FULL. -
But, I'm just a Little-one, in Christ. - And so,
Humbly, I have served for 30+yrs. in medical-specialties,
doing my little-part, in *Championing the human-Spirit/Mind*: This
is where GOD has called me, a very-Spiritual vocation, being a part of
Helping people (supposedly 'Terminally-ill'), RID-her/himself from 'dis-comforts' of one sort, or another...

I've no idea
what your experience with terminally ill people is,
but based on the above, I have to guess that it's small.

Yes,
a place of 'I have no idea' is Excellent for STARTing to learn...
May be your guessing was just a tad off ? But, in any event,
my 30+yrs. of Service,
may well amount to nothing compared with *your Wisdoms*.
May I sit at your feet ?, & have *you teach me..., Master*
(and
please: I'm not being fascetious either. You see, I'm a parent as well, and as such
I have a great deal of Respect for the wisdom of Christ's Tiny-children.

You can't help people
"best their life" when that life is a constant misery of pain.

Really ?? - so, does this mean you want me to Contact each of our former students, and
tell them: 'Hey, there's been a terrible mistake here.
See, 'Electric Skeptic' says: 'You can't help people
best their life when that life is a constant misery of pain.'
so -You MUST go back, and REclaim your pains now.'
RIGHT -
and what kinda reception do you, 'Electric Skeptic' think, that would get us ?, provided
we were to agree to those (insane) BELIEFs, in the 1st. place.

Telling people to "best their life" when they are in unremitting agony with no hope of ever getting better; when they are bedridden and incontinent; when they are losing their mind and sporadically fail to recognise their wives, husbands and chihldren; all of these are just silly and pointless.

You're
quite right: I don't have *All-answers, to All-questions*.
nor do I need to. For:
IN-side each 'sufferer's *MIND lie (hidden) most answers*.
Positively RE-framing them, is most of the battle.
(and
Yes, not only have I worked with 'Alzheimered' folks; as
well, DSHS awarded my successes there, commenting '*Excellentwork*'. And yes,
I have a right to be proud of my achievements, in the
SAME-way
I encouragingly challenge, in this CF-community, others to also *Lovingly Help people*.

I wish you, Electric Sceptic, the BEST in your LIFE...

 

[Shannonkish]

I thought you were going to cut back on the colors and smilies and junk?

 

[Electric Sceptic]

you wish to POLICE what?: People/Doctors into living more God-respectful lives, eh? - so,

I wish to police the law. If there are laws in place regarding living wills, those laws should be policed.

do *you* know something GOD didn't, BEFORE we were all/each created by Him?

No idea what this is supposed to mean.

Now
re 'Living Wills': for when (sometimes) people get to decide: 'How do I wanna DIE'.
yes, humanity is excellent in contriving unending solutions for this problem, sadly so.
BUT,
what for Folks: more Interested in Living...the kind of Abundance Christ keeps offering us.
We should have rights to our choices, as well:

But you don't want people to have rights to their choices. You don't want people to be able to choose when to die.

(and again, it can/is just as easily abused, as any other Legal-documents: http://www.nrlc.org/euthanasia/willtolive/ ; aka *WILL-to-LIVE*-documents.

And the answer is better laws and better policing, not to scrap those documents entirely.

in the USA alone: Organized-crime is Legal, alive & well:
(and not just how people usually think of that); but also
in Govt., Medicine, Education, Religion, Business, Prisons, etc.
so -
some of us, who don't agree with those state-of-affairs, are of the opinion, that we have a Right
to let our voices be heard, as well. why?

I'vde no idea what this is talking about. You seem to have gotten off the track. The question was should YOUR religions belief be a valid basis to legislate to prevent others from acting as they see fit?

have you heard: EVIL triumphs, much sooner... when GOOD-people to allow it to happen.
I, for one, intend to be counted, on GOD's side. Thank you.

I am not under the illusion that the side people claim to be god's is always the good side. If you believe in stopping people from ending their life when they choose to, I believe you are on the evil side, whether you call it god's or not.

More,
than you at this point suspect obviously - and don't expect to have your questions answered by your Public-school people either. - It ain't hard to get the answers, but it does require that you (still-inside-you) have ability for *Thinking beyond the box*. And I am confident you do

Don't beat around the bush. If you can't answer my question, just say so. Don't give me silly little "you can find the answers" rubbish.

And GOD will -
tho, He'll wait until satan has succeeded in destroying most of the world's population, before He will STOP this 'sacrilege'.

What an awful god he is.

And
*i* (as His little child) think (

satan's ways) are so WASTE-FULL. -
But, I'm just a Little-one, in Christ. - And so,
Humbly, I have served for 30+yrs. in medical-specialties,
doing my little-part, in *Championing the human-Spirit/Mind*: This
is where GOD has called me, a very-Spiritual vocation, being a part of
Helping people (supposedly 'Terminally-ill'), RID-her/himself from 'dis-comforts' of one sort, or another...

Umm...tyhat's nice.

Yes,
a place of 'I have no idea' is Excellent for STARTing to learn...
May be your guessing was just a tad off ? But, in any event,
my 30+yrs. of Service,
may well amount to nothing compared with *your Wisdoms*.

You certainly don't show it. Your apparent beliefs are indescribably naive.

May I sit at your feet ?, & have *you teach me..., Master*
(and
please: I'm not being fascetious either. You see, I'm a parent as well, and as such
I have a great deal of Respect for the wisdom of Christ's Tiny-children.

I am neither tiny nor a child, nor do i consider msyelf one of "christ's' anything.

Really ?? - so, does this mean you want me to Contact each of our former students, and
tell them: 'Hey, there's been a terrible mistake here.
See, 'Electric Skeptic' says: 'You can't help people
best their life when that life is a constant misery of pain.'
so -You MUST go back, and REclaim your pains now.'
RIGHT -
and what kinda reception do you, 'Electric Skeptic' think, that would get us ?, provided
we were to agree to those (insane) BELIEFs, in the 1st. place.

No idea what students your'e talking about. I find your beliefs insane, too. Isn't ad hominem great?

In future, would you mind:

- posting in complete, formatted sentences,
- losing the colours, and
- losing the smileys?

It makes it very hard to reply to you.

 

[Lycaenidae]

the numerous-means whereby billions of human sacrifices are innocently slaughtered, in
the holy name of 'science'. -
and
yet GOD/Christ, in the meantime, must watch that sacrilege continue...

ROFL! I call parody. This can't be real.