Euthanasia

[Lycaenidae]

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'Cancering'-strategies,


Tho, getting the 'medical-deities' to HONOR OUR GOD in this way, is a REAL-problem.
And they don't - why? -
Because in 'medical-school' they're taught: 'You are synonymous with GOD. You ARE *god*. -

'interpolation'

I should like to have you come here, to jubilantly share about this, SIR.

This is quality stuff.

 

[sk8Joyful]

substantiate that claim, ok?

Rather than asking 'me' to prove many similar skills,

How about you learn such skills yourself Then, you can encourage others, also.

Hint: for you to be successful:
1. Remember, GOD/Christ created you with *Critical-thinking abilities*.
Now,
2. Employ these, for Questioning nigh everything you are taught-in-school, re: reality.
Further,
3. Begin to notice with the same=keen power of observation (you once possessed, pre-language) - what is REALLY-transpiring (behind the scenes, as it were)
and
4. Then, come back here - so you can be helped to UN-cover even more resources
(you've had all along) but were told by 'smart (*not*) adults': Don't do that!!! -

See you soon, little Apprentice ...

 

[mpshiel]

Actually the oath they take in medical school is: Do no harm.

I support Euthanasia, particularly on a personal level. I would recommend a book called, "Dancing with Mr. D." which is the accounts of a pallative care doctor for one year in holland (where Euthanasia is common) and examines a lot of societies attitudes about death. It was particularly poinant because I encounted a lot of these last month during my grandfather's lingering death. Particularly the attitude of his daughter and son that "he's suffering and should be put out of his misery" - while the reality was that by that time, he wasn't suffering, they were. And his lingering, gasping, 8 days of dying were torturing them, not him - which is insufficent reason to kill someone (because you are emotionally inconvienanced).

Now, while I have noted the above, I do believe in euthenasia as a form of pallative care, one which a person, in consultation with doctors, is able to go with love, choice and dignity. Personally, I don't know anyone in pallative care that doesn't feel that Euthanasia has some place in thier practice. This is because though we don't call it such, we already practice a "latent" form of euthanasia, known as the morphine drip. Which means that once your dying relative has been put on a level of morphine, they will peacefully go into a coma from which they will never come out. The doctor doesn't know when they will die when he/she "eases thier pain" but they know that it is a one way trip.

For my many friends facing degenerative diseases, they face them well, taking what life is offered as it is offered. But, even so, it is with the comfort that they will not have to lie in the body as a tomb, being unable to scream from the labouring pain as thier lungs and heart strain to continue thier function. Some will choose drug induced coma death, perhaps others more direct methods. I don't think anyone who has witnessed enough death up close and personal can remain objective or rejoicing in the plan of God which allows a persons body to literally rot away, or to die in agony over a period of months, unable to move.

I don't believe God is so jealous or controlling that God needs our every last scream and swear before we face God with a "What the **** was that all about you sick twisted diety?" - God gave us choice, brain, compassion - in my case and my partner's case, that's is the part of God we will be relying on - not some modern interpretation which would even rule Jesus's death a form of assisted suicide (he did walk knowing to his death, and did get a spear in the side).

 

[Talyn]

I don't believe in asking someone to assist you in your death. If ya wanna die do it yourself. I consider it a selfish act. Just like suicide.

 

[CCGirl]

I don't believe in asking someone to assist you in your death. If ya wanna die do it yourself. I consider it a selfish act. Just like suicide.

Suicide is an act of desperation, loneliness, sadness and most importantly MENTAL ILLNESS..

It may seem selfish to YOU, it is not to the person committing the act.

 

[Cerberus~]

I don't believe in asking someone to assist you in your death. If ya wanna die do it yourself. I consider it a selfish act. Just like suicide.

As opposed to forcing someone to stay alive even though they are dying and in pain, just because you don't want to deal with the pain of loosing them. No, that's completely selfless.

 

[PookySmiley]

Suicide is an act of desperation, loneliness, sadness and most importantly MENTAL ILLNESS..

It may seem selfish to YOU, it is not to the person committing the act.

It may not seem selfish to the suicider (suicidee?). But it most certainly is the most selfish act. In order to spare yourself pain, you cause it to others. Oh yeah that's the very epitome of selflessness.

 

[CCGirl]

It may not seem selfish to the suicider (suicidee?). But it most certainly is the most selfish act. In order to spare yourself pain, you cause it to others. Oh yeah that's the very epitome of selflessness.

Have you personally been affected by suicide? Sure doesn't sound like it

Have you had a loved one commit suicide? Have you had a mental illness that made you consider/attempt suicide?

People commit suicide because they believe there is no other option!

They do not think of what affect this will have on others!

Sheesh

 

[PookySmiley]

Have you personally been affected by suicide? Sure doesn't sound like it

Have you had a loved one commit suicide? Have you had a mental illness that made you consider/attempt suicide?

People commit suicide because they believe there is no other option!

They do not think of what affect this will have on others!

Sheesh

Shows how much you know. (Childish I know, but . . )
I have never had a family member commit suicide.
I am mentally ill and under treatment for it, I come from a long line of nuts, Mom was schizophrenic, Dad self medicated with alcohol for God alone knows what. Grandma was paranoid, etc.
Of course I considered suicide. Under the circumstances, wouldn't you have?
Your last line sums up nicely what I said.
"They do not think of what effect this will have on others." Can you think of anything more selfish than running off leaving family members and loved ones behind to deal with "what could I have done to stop it".
I don't believe we should feel sorry for suicides. We should feel sorry for those left behind to suffer and wonder. Suicides are wusses.

 

[CCGirl]

Shows how much you know. (Childish I know, but . . )
I have never had a family member commit suicide.
I am mentally ill and under treatment for it, I come from a long line of nuts, Mom was schizophrenic, Dad self medicated with alcohol for God alone knows what. Grandma was paranoid, etc.
Of course I considered suicide. Under the circumstances, wouldn't you have?
Your last line sums up nicely what I said.
"They do not think of what effect this will have on others." Can you think of anything more selfish than running off leaving family members and loved ones behind to deal with "what could I have done to stop it".
I don't believe we should feel sorry for suicides. We should feel sorry for those left behind to suffer and wonder. Suicides are wusses.

MY Husband committed suicide....so, ya, I kinda do know something about it.

As a person with a mental illness, you should know that these people have no ability to think logically! They are mentally ill!

I too have had a mental illness, have stood on the edge of suicide, but was still able to articulate to someone that I needed help!

This is not always the case.

Therefore, it is not selfish at all, in their eyes! It takes a great deal of courage to end your life, I feel terrible sadness for anyone who is so desperate and in so much pain they see no other way out!

 

[PookySmiley]

MY Husband committed suicide....so, ya, I kinda do know something about it.

As a person with a mental illness, you should know that these people have no ability to think logically! They are mentally ill!

I too have had a mental illness, have stood on the edge of suicide, but was still able to articulate to someone that I needed help!

This is not always the case.

Therefore, it is not selfish at all, in their eyes! It takes a great deal of courage to end your life, I feel terrible sadness for anyone who is so desperate and in so much pain they see no other way out!

I'm very sorry to hear about your husband.

 

[CCGirl]

I'm very sorry to hear about your husband.

Thank you....it is worse for my 4 kids though.

 

[elman]

Actually the oath they take in medical school is: Do no harm.

I support Euthanasia, particularly on a personal level. I would recommend a book called, "Dancing with Mr. D." which is the accounts of a pallative care doctor for one year in holland (where Euthanasia is common) and examines a lot of societies attitudes about death. It was particularly poinant because I encounted a lot of these last month during my grandfather's lingering death. Particularly the attitude of his daughter and son that "he's suffering and should be put out of his misery" - while the reality was that by that time, he wasn't suffering, they were. And his lingering, gasping, 8 days of dying were torturing them, not him - which is insufficent reason to kill someone (because you are emotionally inconvienanced).

Now, while I have noted the above, I do believe in euthenasia as a form of pallative care, one which a person, in consultation with doctors, is able to go with love, choice and dignity. Personally, I don't know anyone in pallative care that doesn't feel that Euthanasia has some place in thier practice. This is because though we don't call it such, we already practice a "latent" form of euthanasia, known as the morphine drip. Which means that once your dying relative has been put on a level of morphine, they will peacefully go into a coma from which they will never come out. The doctor doesn't know when they will die when he/she "eases thier pain" but they know that it is a one way trip.

For my many friends facing degenerative diseases, they face them well, taking what life is offered as it is offered. But, even so, it is with the comfort that they will not have to lie in the body as a tomb, being unable to scream from the labouring pain as thier lungs and heart strain to continue thier function. Some will choose drug induced coma death, perhaps others more direct methods. I don't think anyone who has witnessed enough death up close and personal can remain objective or rejoicing in the plan of God which allows a persons body to literally rot away, or to die in agony over a period of months, unable to move.

I don't believe God is so jealous or controlling that God needs our every last scream and swear before we face God with a "What the **** was that all about you sick twisted diety?" - God gave us choice, brain, compassion - in my case and my partner's case, that's is the part of God we will be relying on - not some modern interpretation which would even rule Jesus's death a form of assisted suicide (he did walk knowing to his death, and did get a spear in the side).

I agree. I think Christian sometimes put too much value on extending physical life and I don't believe it is our responsibility as Christians to live as long as possible no matter how much pain or how little expectation for improvment there is. I also see people keeping their animals alive long after they should have permitted or assited them to die. I grew up as a boy shooting animals who were dying to stop their suffering. It amazes me we let people suffer when we are able to prevent it.

 

[Illuminatus]

Rather than asking 'me' to prove many similar skills,

How about you learn such skills yourself Then, you can encourage others, also.

How about this: You're posting in a forum that requires you to provide evidence for claims. Go read the rules, then come back and substantiate your posts.

 

[Cerberus~]

It may not seem selfish to the suicider (suicidee?). But it most certainly is the most selfish act. In order to spare yourself pain, you cause it to others. Oh yeah that's the very epitome of selflessness.

As opposed to you forcing them to delay the inevitable, and prolong their physical agony just so you can be sparred the pain of loosing them. How selfish is that? No matter how bad your emotional pain would be, it doesn't compare to months, even years of physical agony. Your position is the selfish one here.

That is what we're talking about. Not some drunk blowing his brains out because life sucks.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

People commit suicide because they believe there is no other option!

They do not think of what affect this will have on others!

And sometimes they are right - there is no other option (talknig of the terminally ill who are suffering). And, of course, to say that all people in that situatio don't think of others is completely witout foundation.

 

[In A Perfect World]

STILL waiting to hear about the event textbooks left out, where billions were slaughtered in the name of science...

 

[Talyn]

They're going to die anyway. And no, I wouldn't want them to suffer, but I still think suicide and euthanasia is the cowards way out.

 

[Katya]

My cousin had terminal cancer. She didn't suffer, at least I don't think she did. About a month after we found out she had cancer she died. But if she had been suffering unnecessarily then I would support euthanasia. I too use to think that it was selfish, until it happened in my own family.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

They're going to die anyway. And no, I wouldn't want them to suffer, but I still think suicide and euthanasia is the cowards way out.

I think this is an indescribably arrogant point of view. When it happens to you, you're entitled to comment.