Europe's Muslim Migrants Bring Sex Pathologies in Tow

[SolomonVII]

http://www.meforum.org/5569/migrants-rape

Even in liberated, feminist, gender-neutral Sweden, there is something more horrible than rape, something horrible enough to persuade the political elite to sacrifice the physical and mental health of tens of thousands of Swedish women. That is the horror of social disintegration in the Muslim world. Sweden opened its borders to refugees twenty years before the migrant flood arrived on Germany's doorstep,
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The incidence of rape in Sweden has tripled in the past ten years as the country became Europe's premier destination for Muslim immigrants. ...
A 1996 report by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention reached the conclusion that immigrants from North Africa (Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia) were 23 times as likely to commit rape as Swedish men....
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Sweden not only stands by while a large number of its women are raped, but outlaws public discussion of the causes. Michael Hess, a Social-Democratic population, was condemned by a Swedish court under a law forbidding denigration of ethnic groups. for writing in 2014, "There is a strong connection between rapes in Sweden and the number of immigrants from MENA countries [Middle East and North Africa]."

In the hierarchy of values of Sweden, there are some things more important than a woman's safety from the harm of rape.

This reminds me of feminist's unwavering support of Bill Clinton regardless of how many gals he kept under his desk, or how many times he cheated on his wife.

It reminds me of how the feminist friendly Obama WH shields its own rather than put the values of young girls to the fore.

 

[seashale76]

I was told that these types of articles are all lies and misrepresentative of reality. Even posting articles without commentary about these types of things is racist, apparently. It's all rainbows, sunshine, and fluffy bunnies in Europe regarding anything to do with migrants.

You know, a couple of years ago, my sister and I were at the San Diego Zoo together. A huge group of Muslims passed by us, and all the women were wearing abayas with hijab and one even wore niqab. The men were all in jeans, shorts, and t-shirts. Anyway, my sister and I were wearing jeans and t-shirts, nothing racy. We were also minding our own business. We were verbally harassed by the men of that group. They told us that we needed to cover up- as if they had any right to tell anyone what to do. They were downright nasty people. I believe more people in this world are going to experience what I have (and worse)- but we're not allowed to talk about it without being marginalized.

 

[SolomonVII]

ME forums is a pretty reliable and educated discussion of events coming out of the ME.

I don't know about the World Economic Forum, but I don't think that data that is coming from an article on the global gender gap is using the kind of language associated with those who have an axe to grind against either the left or feminism.

Feminists in general cannot reply or respond to these kinds of threads though because it is not only a crushing blow to their world view that the war on women is waged from the right, but that they have actually been used by the left to serve an agenda that has higher priorities than the actual welfare on women.
It is not as if sexual assault and gang rape are not of an absolute importance to virtually any woman. But to contemplate what is implied by a socialist, leftist, feminist society like Sweden actually banning and outlawing relevant discusssion of an astronomical rise in rape cases would be admitting a crushing blow to the world view that has been believed in by women for the past forty years.
Articles like these are not dismissed and willfully ignored on the basis of the evidence.
They are dismissed and ignored on principle.
And now that women as an identity group has had their votes and their support fully secured by the political left, their interests are of a much lower priority than the next identity group looming large on the horizon.

 

[MikeK]

Every modern feminist I know has a strong disdain for Islam and often other organized religions. They generally desire the respect for all cultures as a default up until those cultures rob women of their rights. They generally oppose conservative ideologies like are generally found among fundamentalist Muslims and Christians.

 

[Yeshuas_My_Freedom]

It's naive to imagine migrants aren't going to bring their cultural traditions or predilections , in this case regarding the value of women, with them.

Western minds object to such realities as that and oddly enough when it concerns Islam. However, there's a difference between ME Islam and Westernized Islam. But the Qur'an remains the same.

Qur’an Sura 23:1-6
Qur’an Sura 70:22-30

 

[Hetta]

http://www.meforum.org/5569/migrants-rape





In the hierarchy of values of Sweden, there are some things more important than a woman's safety from the harm of rape.

This reminds me of feminist's unwavering support of Bill Clinton regardless of how many gals he kept under his desk, or how many times he cheated on his wife.

It reminds me of how the feminist friendly Obama WH shields its own rather than put the values of young girls to the fore.

Consensual sex (i.e. that which Clinton had) =/= rape. Ever.

Then I went and read the "about" section of this forum. There's no bias at all, right.

Mission
The Middle East Forum promotes American interests in the Middle East and protects Western values from Middle Eastern threats.

The Forum sees the region — with its profusion of dictatorships, radical ideologies, existential conflicts, border disagreements, corruption, political violence, and weapons of mass destruction — as a major source of problems for the United States. Accordingly, we urge bold measures to protect Americans and their allies.

In the Middle East, we focus on ways to defeat radical Islam; work for Palestinian acceptance of Israel; develop strategies to contain Iran; and deal with the great advances of anarchy.

At home, the Forum emphasizes the danger of lawful Islamism; protects the freedoms of anti-Islamist authors, activists, and publishers; and works to improve Middle East studies.

 

[classicalhero]

Typical lefty, ignoring the stats that how Muslims in a bad light. Sweden is simply reaping the rewards of it's decisions. The funny thing Sweden doesn't break it down according to race or ethnic background because doing so would show the truth behind the rape epidemic n Sweden.

 

[SolomonVII]

There was a time when feminists might object to a the differential power relationship of , say, a president having an intern under his desk. It was quite common at the time for college professors to run afoul of the feminist establishment for having consensual relationships of that nature with their students.

After Clinton, that doesn't happen so much any more.
Feminists have become fine with that kind of relationship, by default.
That after all, is something for a young girl to aspire to. A young girl could certainly do worse than serve a powerful man under his desk.
Sheesh.

Speaking of lip service, feminists no longer provide even that as objection to this kind of thing any more.
Nobody would believe them, post-Monica, even if they did.


But that is merely an aside to the meat of the issue. Being for American values apparently is damnable enough of offense that the gang rapes of Swedish and European women can safely be ignored, if the pro-American ME forums is the only one with the integrity to report such a thing.
That is what is pointed out as being newsworthy. No German mainstream publication even bothers to report the killing of ethnic race victims. It is politically incorrect for them to do so.

If the welfare of women is no longer a big deal for feminists, so be it.

 

[SolomonVII]

Typical lefty, ignoring the stats that how Muslims in a bad light. Sweden is simply reaping the rewards of it's decisions. The funny thing Sweden doesn't break it down according to race or ethnic background because doing so would show the truth behind the rape epidemic in Sweden.

Worse, to actually break it down that way would be persecuted as hate in Sweden.
This was repeated in Rotherdam too of course.The rape and sexual expoitation of children is of lesser priority to the European establishment than exposing the horrors of feckless acceptance of diversity at any and all costs.

What kind of feminist is more outraged at those organizations that expose these crimes against their own women and children, than against the criminals that rape their children?

The answer is, as per post 6, just your typical feminist, that who.
Gluten is the new enemy, apparently.

 

[SolomonVII]

It's naive to imagine migrants aren't going to bring their cultural traditions or predilections , in this case regarding the value of women, with them.

Western minds object to such realities as that and oddly enough when it concerns Islam. However, there's a difference between ME Islam and Westernized Islam. But the Qur'an remains the same.

Qur’an Sura 23:1-6
Qur’an Sura 70:22-30

I think it is possible to educate immigrants to Europe that, no, Christian women, and European women in general, are not all harlots. The hijab or nijab are not the equivalent of modesty, and western women share many of the same values toward sex and family that Muslim women possess. This is a part of a woman's nature in fact, and it is the norm for western women as much as it is for women anywhere.

That is not going to happen though without acknowledging that there is a problem in the first place.

 

[Yeshuas_My_Freedom]

I think it is possible to educate immigrants to Europe that, no, Christian women, and European women in general, are not all harlots. The hijab or nijab are not the equivalent of modesty, and western women share many of the same values toward sex and family that Muslim women possess. This is a part of a woman's nature in fact, and it is the norm for western women as much as it is for women anywhere.

That is not going to happen though without acknowledging that there is a problem in the first place.

And yet, the education would need to penetrate the minds of the males that dominate the house in non-western Muslim households, culture.
Because it is the men that police the conduct of the women and punish for non-compliance and often in horrific ways.

 

[SolomonVII]

And yet, the education would need to penetrate the minds of the males that dominate the house in non-western Muslim households, culture.
Because it is the men that police the conduct of the women and punish for non-compliance and often in horrific ways.

In the example given in the article, it was the mother that put the 'hit' on her daughter for the dishonor of being a rape victim. Of course the rapists are100 percent men.
The larger point is that as long as people are not even permitted to talk about it for fear of being persecuted or ostracized for violating norms of political correctness, the idea of anyone being educated is impossible.

 

[Yeshuas_My_Freedom]

And it was the father and the brothers that carried it out. They all need to be educated in the case of Rokstan M. . Who survived a gang rape in Syria and yet was knifed to death by her father and her siblings. I can't begin to imagine the horror she felt realizing what was happening to her. What she expected to happen given her post on a social media page and to then see it being carried out and at the order of her mother.

How do people educate people from a culture that believes first in slaughtering their own daughter who is believed to have brought dishonor on the family because she survived a gang rape?
Doesn't it seem like it should be the rapists that would be worthy of death to retrieve the honor of the daughter they raped?

 

[MikeK]

In Sweden, rape is against the law and rapists, if caught, are punished. There are laws in place to protect people who report their attackers or live in fear. These laws apply to Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

 

[Tallguy88]

Shameful

 

[SolomonVII]

And it was the father and the brothers that carried it out. They all need to be educated in the case of Rokstan M. . Who survived a gang rape in Syria and yet was knifed to death by her father and her siblings. I can't begin to imagine the horror she felt realizing what was happening to her. What she expected to happen given her post on a social media page and to then see it being carried out and at the order of her mother.

How do people educate people from a culture that believes first in slaughtering their own daughter who is believed to have brought dishonor on the family because she survived a gang rape?
Doesn't it seem like it should be the rapists that would be worthy of death to retrieve the honor of the daughter they raped?

I am not trying to make this into a male vs female issue YMF. My point was to show how deeply imbedded into the culture that these attitudes are, that even a girls own mother participates in her slaughter.

And I have no idea how to educate such people. Maybe it is not possible to change deeply imbedded cultural attitudes.
Either way, this is something that people in free cultures need to talk about. That is not happening in places like Germany, which never carry these stories, or in Sweden, where such talk will fall under hate legislation.
It is worthwhile pointing out that these countries of northern Europe have highly developed feminist cultures. There is an egalitarianism between men and women that does not so much exist in the more Catholic and traditional southern European cultures. For example, because men more often participate in the raising of children, the birthrate in these countries are higher.
Yet rape and gang rape, and honor killings for that matter, are crimes that directly affect women. It is outrageous therefore that full disclosure of what is happening in these kind of cultures is being muzzled.
This is an institutional failure on behalf of feminist culture itself.

 

[Yeshuas_My_Freedom]

I realize that. However, in the Islamic culture it is very much a divisive male female issue.

For instance, the female mutilation ritual of female circumcision. In some parts of the world it is the men that believe this barbaric practice should be abolished. A no brainer for women and men of the west. However, in those certain ME countries it is the elder women who insist the practice continue. Largely it is said because they suffered it. And they believe it right to pass it down.
One would think having suffered the barbarism of having their female outer genitalia cut off and the wound sewn shut, save for a small hole that is let to remain for menstruation and urination, would cause any woman survivor of such mutilation to happily set aside the rite. But that's often not the case.

And in fact it can't be said that the practice does not venture forth with those who immigrate to other countries. You can take the Islamist out of their homeland, but you can't always take the Islamic cultural practices out of the immigrating Islamist. Male or female.

Prosecution is a great educational tool. But that typically happens in non-Islamic countries.
While thinking education will take ingrained tradition that spans generations out of the mind of the one hardwired into it is optimistic at best.
Meanwhile, waiting for education that should be common sense, costs lives and impacts the quality of life for those who suffer.

 

[Rhamiel]

In Sweden, rape is against the law and rapists, if caught, are punished. There are laws in place to protect people who report their attackers or live in fear. These laws apply to Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

but culture does matter

victims have to feel able to go to the police
witnesses need to come forward

so the laws on the books can say one thing
but what is accepted by the society can be another

 

[football5680]

I realize that. However, in the Islamic culture it is very much a divisive male female issue.

For instance, the female mutilation ritual of female circumcision. In some parts of the world it is the men that believe this barbaric practice should be abolished. A no brainer for women and men of the west. However, in those certain ME countries it is the elder women who insist the practice continue. Largely it is said because they suffered it. And they believe it right to pass it down.
One would think having suffered the barbarism of having their female outer genitalia cut off and the wound sewn shut, save for a small hole that is let to remain for menstruation and urination, would cause any woman survivor of such mutilation to happily set aside the rite. But that's often not the case.

And in fact it can't be said that the practice does not venture forth with those who immigrate to other countries. You can take the Islamist out of their homeland, but you can't always take the Islamic cultural practices out of the immigrating Islamist. Male or female.

Prosecution is a great educational tool. But that typically happens in non-Islamic countries.
While thinking education will take ingrained tradition that spans generations out of the mind of the one hardwired into it is optimistic at best.
Meanwhile, waiting for education that should be common sense, costs lives and impacts the quality of life for those who suffer.

Female circumcision is not an Islamic thing, it is an African thing. Most of the people who still practice it are Muslims but the further you get away from Africa, the less prevalent the practice becomes. It is not condemned in Islam, but it is not obligatory either.

 

[MoonlessNight]

In Sweden, rape is against the law and rapists, if caught, are punished. There are laws in place to protect people who report their attackers or live in fear. These laws apply to Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

Well since rape is illegal, obviously there's no problem with rape then. Let's all agree to not discuss rape ever again or discuss whether any culture encourages rape, since it's clear that with rape being illegal we've solved the problem of rape.

That makes me realize though that gun violence is also illegal. So another problem solved! For the same reasons, it looks like we won't have to discuss problems with gun violence anymore.