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Yes. I'm trying to trace why people think this greater freedom must mean a lack of order, and am coming up short with an explanation.But Jesus suggested through a greater expression of love there is a greater freedom. Sanctification.
In other places that I visit, and several conversations that I've had with people regarding the state of the world the issue of time usually comes up.... The usual comments are, "time is short," "the world can't last much longer," " time is winding down" or some variation of that.... and with those statements is usually the plea to get ready before its "too late."
A couple of thoughts. If God, or The Creator exists in eternity, then why would he have to rush? I mean if you subtract 10,000 yrs from eternity, you still have what? Eternity... Just because we think that things will come to an end doesn't necessarily make it so does it? I mean theoretically this condition can go on for some time before God would have to intervene.... Second thought, if you are in a relationship with someone, aren't you usually happy to see them whenever they show up? So what's the "get ready before its too late" thing all about?
Thoughts?
There is a Father anxiously awaiting the homecoming of His kids.
Humans were created to inhabit earth..... i.e. humans will not inhabit heaven, they will inhabit earth... refurbished.... we are all connected, there are no friends, only brothers and sisters whom The Creator wants with him also.... as for what heaven is upset by, I cannot venture to guess since I have never been to heaven, and neither has anyone who claims to know what's happening there....This world is NOT my home. I want to go home. There is a Father anxiously awaiting the homecoming of His kids. The 6000 years of this worlds broken history is a mere bloody scratch on the timeline of eternity. All heaven has been upset by it and wants it over. The worlds society is diving quickly (there it is again) toward self-annihilation so there is an inevitable termination of this world as we know it - God be thanked. So let's get this behind us as quickly as possible and yet bring as many of our friends as will come.
I agree with you. I also believe that He need not wait to be in communion with His kids. He can and does interact with His children today.
BFA
Understood. How does e-mail or even the 'phone compare with seeing the twinkle in ones eye, feeling the breath on ones cheek, or a touch? To have THAT aspect of interface with Jesus will be... so... what superlative even suggests a fit. Here there is embedded in everything the urgent backgound of limited time. There the very concept of limited time goes away. It's whole new aspect, as one entering the "sunset years," I think I could get used to with considerable appreciation.
Humans were created to inhabit earth..... i.e. humans will not inhabit heaven, they will inhabit earth... refurbished.... we are all connected, there are no friends, only brothers and sisters whom The Creator wants with him also.... as for what heaven is upset by, I cannot venture to guess since I have never been to heaven, and neither has anyone who claims to know what's happening there....
My concern is that we (believers, Christianity, whatever term you prefer) spend so much time focusing on a future event that we miss the blessing that God has for us in the here and now. I would want to know God even if there were no Heaven, even if I never had the chance to meet Him face-to-face.
BFA
That event is our hope to say nothing of God's
In general it is not real enough for most of us.
It is a good place to be that we love God even if we were unaware of heaven.
I've been pondering something interesting (well, to me at least) about why downward delegation makes sense in creation. So I don't know that it's as much about whether God needs angels - or humans - but how each stratum of creation has its own set of primary conditions and center/scope of relationship. Otherwise, we could just as easily ask why God doesn't do everything for us - directly - as well.A God who is everywhere and all-powerful requires the assistance of angels because?
But isn't that what theology teaches, i.e. that God does do everything for us... supplies our needs, provides protection, gives us strength, showers us with blessing, etc....I've been pondering something interesting (well, to me at least) about why downward delegation makes sense in creation. So I don't know that it's as much about whether God needs angels - or humans - but how each stratum of creation has its own set of primary conditions and center/scope of relationship. Otherwise, we could just as easily ask why God doesn't do everything for us - directly - as well.
So initially humans needed to believe that there were angels watching over them? But as humanity matured, that concept was no longer needed?So, as we grow and develop new capacity, our domains shift - or expand. When we are just starting out and learning, a more limited domain is a more ideal habitat.
Is it a good book? Would you recommend it? My problem with the story of Job is the whole idea that Job could lose is family, and not be devastated/depressed and that given a replacement family he is okay with that.... I don't know any humans with that capacity to absorb that kind of loss and then be okay...I started to think about this when reading the book Flatland and pondering its significance to the story of Job. In Flatland, if you had somebody from 3-d Sphereland with ill intent continually "dropping down" and popping people on the head in 2-d Flatland, learning would be disrupted. Because it's an overlay of a much larger domain on a smaller domain that tampers with learning. This is my primary issue with the story of Job.
I guess the question is why an all-powerful being needs to delegate... Of course it reinforces my idea that there is One Super Being who is able to manifest itself in various ways including angels, "the spirit", the "christ" and yet remain a Super Being...So, in the sense of angels continually "dropping in" and tampering, I agree. But in the sense of delegating across the spectrum of creation, I think it's an interesting question. Whether angels exist or not.
Well, at least for the one person who was told to not board the train that went on to crash. The rest were out of luck.But isn't that what theology teaches, i.e. that God does do everything for us... supplies our needs, provides protection, gives us strength, showers us with blessing, etc....
I think you would really enjoy it. And it's only a buck or two: Amazon.com: Flatland (9781607961024): Edwin A. Abbott: BooksIs it a good book? Would you recommend it?
I also go back to the idea of being created in the image of Creator - being a co-creator. So, there's no need for delegation, but the opportunity to be delegated to. As a parent, I think about why I don't do everything for my child - but let my child have the joy of learning and creating.Of course it reinforces my idea that there is One Super Being who is able to manifest itself in various ways including angels, "the spirit", the "christ" and yet remain a Super Being...
yeah, that's an unfortunate side of that belief... almost obscene as far as I am concern, and it does make God appear capricious.....Well, at least for the one person who was told to not board the train that went on to crash. The rest were out of luck.
cool, I see that its in ebook form so I will pick it up shortly....I think you would really enjoy it. And it's only a buck or two: Amazon.com: Flatland (9781607961024): Edwin A. Abbott: Books
true.... we grow by learning.....I also go back to the idea of being created in the image of Creator - being a co-creator. So, there's no need for delegation, but the opportunity to be delegated to. As a parent, I think about why I don't do everything for my child - but let my child have the joy of learning and creating.
I may encourage my child to help my neighbor with a project, even though I could "do it better."
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