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Eternal torment is not a Bible doctrine (2)

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by BobRyan, Aug 12, 2012.

  1. joep222

    joep222 Newbie

    Actually, eternal Hell is a Biblical doctrine.

    Mark 9:47-48 And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, (48) 'where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.'

    Revelation 14:10-11 he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. (11) And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name."
  2. LutheranMafia

    LutheranMafia Well-Known Member

    On reflection I have to point out the distinction between the first resurrection and the second resurrection. What you are saying is true of the first resurrection which only involve the "firstfruits", but it does not apply to the second resurrection.
  3. strangertoo

    strangertoo sin is diabolical abuse of fellow humans-1John 3:8

    Christian Seeker
    That's a TRANSLATION by sinners which makes no sense alongfside the rest of scripture, so READ ALL the scripture and then realise that ISN'T the ORIGINAL meaning but a fake by sinners who want to scare folks into the divided churches of shameful sinners still not freeing themselves from Satan's temptations to abuse others with sin...

    1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil

    So actually that's just a mistranslation, as the rest of scripture proves , as is discussed extensively in this thread [and others in parallel here]... so please READ the threads BEFORE wasting your time and other folks time with repeating the nonsense already written because folks get deceived by Satan in the religion they would like to think is of Jesus -Rev 13-3-4, 2Thess 2, Ezek 28

    all are released from 'hell' ['sheol' in Hebrew, 'hades' in Greek ] as Jesus says, and then it is destroyed along with death, no more death, no more hell, so clearly it is not eternal ... unsurprising as we know time is created as an integral part of the space-time universe , and so ends with this universe when men move on to the new earth of scriptural promise of God ...

    Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.

    Note that God says there will be no more death after a second death frees men from sin once more , men who sinned for two lives then want to die when they realise the shame of abusing others for so long as sinners...

    Revelation 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

    so the translation is woeful, deliberately false for sake of Satanic lies about sin never being destroyed as is Jesus' task ... the word root 'aion-' from which we get the word 'aeon' for an age , is mistranslated by sinners as 'eternity'... an age, an 'aeon' , is a long time, but indeed CANNOT be infinite ...

    1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

    we know that sin ends and all suffering ends and God's mercy endures to all time, all proving the lie of sinners in their altering the meaning of scripture for the evil of Satan in man's religion deceiving the whole world -Rev 13:3-4- bar a few saints who alone follow Jesus' commandment of Love, no more sin -Jude 1:14, Matt 7:14, Rev 7:3-8 whilst ALL sinners are destroyed in the wrath of God, end of THIS world ...
  4. Hammster

    Hammster Does Barry Manilow know you raid his wardrobe? Staff Member Administrator Supporter

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    This thread has hon through a clean up. Some good posts had to be deleted along with the bad. Sorry.

    But if y'all quit flaming, we won't have this problem.

  5. Timothew

    Timothew Conditionalist

    Absolutely. I used to hold the traditional view. When I first heard that there were other views, my initial reaction was to reject them. But a small part of me wondered if this could be true. So I looked into it, I asked God to show me the truth, whatever it was. And then I started asking questions. A lot of questions. And the answers I was getting from the traditionalists were less than logical. They were the answers that you get from people who have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. Frankly, they were just like the answers that you get from people who are lying. They weren't lying, they were absolutely convinced that they were telling the gospel truth. But they were lied to, and they repeated what they were told, with absolute conviction.

    Meanwhile, God was showing me from the scriptures every day that there is nothing like the hell that we sold.

    So yes. I can absolutely say that my views have evolved in this debate.
    And I can also assure you that this:
    applies to you much more than it applies to me. In fact, if this is true, it explains a lot about you.
    Last edited: Sep 3, 2012
  6. seeingeyes

    seeingeyes Newbie

    People who have a lot of bumper stickers are the same way: Bumper stickers reveal link to road rage : Nature News

    Just sayin' :)
  7. he-man

    he-man he-man

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    :confused: The same καταδικάζω is true of the general resurrection!
    καταδικάζω penalized, Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be penalized.

    Pro 13:3 He that keepeth his mouth keepeth his life: he that openeth wide his lips shall have destruction.

    2Th 1:9 Who shall pay a penalty of everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;