Eternal Fire SAVES not TORTURES

[createdtoworship]

Already gave them to you..see Soulgazers post.....end of debate....
Originally Posted by Soulgazer

Except that is not what He-man is saying. You asked :
To which we all replied that it is, and I gave examples. He-man thanked me for it, confirming the assumption to what he was trying to convey was correct.
From your statement, I too gathered that you did not believe the crucifixion to be mentioned in the Parables. Carry on, I find this debate fascinating, please.

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it is the end of the debate, soulgazer quoted a contradictory link. Wow I mean wow. Thats a debate stopper there.

 

[createdtoworship]

My concept of Hell is probably different than 99% of the people who frequent this board:

7. An apostle had a vision in which he saw people imprisoned in a building of fire, bound with flaming chains, and immersed in boiling oil. "Why can't they be saved?" he asked his guide. "They could be saved," was the reply, "but they refuse the salvation which is offered them. Everyone receives what he truly desires; these have desired the annihilation of outer darkness, so they must inevitably be thrown in.


I don't comment much on these talks, because I neither desire the flames for myself or anyone else. Paradoxically, those that most fear the flames will find them. That is my concept of Hell.

so why do you quote organizations which believe in condemning billions of people to hell for eternity, and call it authoritative?

 

[Soulgazer]

so why do you quote organizations which believe in condemning billions of people to hell for eternity, and call it authoritative?

Would you rather I quoted an organization that does not believe in Hell at all? I respected that you believe in Hell. I presumed that you were saying that there were no parables of the crucifixion. I wanted to make clear that there are. There are parables of many things, but the crucifixion seemed to be the one you were in doubt of.

 

[createdtoworship]

Would you rather I quoted an organization that does not believe in Hell at all? I respected that you believe in Hell. I presumed that you were saying that there were no parables of the crucifixion. I wanted to make clear that there are. There are parables of many things, but the crucifixion seemed to be the one you were in doubt of.

but you didn't quote an authoritative article that states what you wanted it to state. For one. I read the article and it does not state that the crucifixion or resurrection was a parable. Secondly The link from the hyper dispensationalist seminary which rejects spiritual gifts among other doctrines, is not always correct anyways. So Try, Try again.

unless you just want to give up now.

 

[Soulgazer]

but you didn't quote an authoritative article that states what you wanted it to state. For one. I read the article and it does not state that the crucifixion or resurrection was a parable. Secondly The link from the hyper dispensationalist seminary which rejects spiritual gifts among other doctrines, is not always correct anyways. So Try, Try again.

unless you just want to give up now.

There is a difference between believing there are Parables about the crucifixion, and believing the crucifixion is a parable. I misunderstood and apologize. It's not one of our beliefs, so I am unused to meeting others who believe that way; I did not mean to insult your beliefs.

 

[createdtoworship]

It's not one of our beliefs, so I am unused to meeting others who believe that way; I did not mean to insult your beliefs.

no insults here, proceed.

There is a difference between believing there are Parables about the crucifixion, and believing the crucifixion is a parable. I misunderstood and apologize.

but the link you provided shows neither a parable about the crucifixion nor a crucifixion parable. You must show evidence for such claims, and the fact that you are scrolling seminary websites in search.......reveals you don't have one verse to share to show this connection. Am I right?

 

[Soulgazer]

no insults here, proceed.



but the link you provided shows neither a parable about the crucifixion nor a crucifixion parable. You must show evidence for such claims, and the fact that you are scrolling seminary websites in search.......reveals you don't have one verse to share to show this connection. Am I right?

Would you accept John 3:14?

 

[createdtoworship]

Would you accept John 3:14?

uuuhhhmm

that really happened to.

no parable there.

so if we recap a little....

Jesus spoke in parables but not everything He said was a parable.

so Lazerus is not a parable.

waaalllaaah!!!!

 

[Soulgazer]

uuuhhhmm

that really happened to.

no parable there.

so if we recap a little....

Jesus spoke in parables but not everything He said was a parable.

so Lazerus is not a parable.

waaalllaaah!!!!

It's tough; we have sayings you do not have. I have to switch gears to think bible speak.
I never could figure out why Jesus called the a Syrophoenician woman a dog in Mark.

 

[createdtoworship]

It's tough; we have sayings you do not have. I have to switch gears to think bible speak.

you shouldn't be shifting anything.

You should just teach Bible. Right?

 

[Soulgazer]

you shouldn't be shifting anything.

You should just teach Bible. Right?

No. We are complete and total heretics to the catholic faith. We are not of any of the catholic schools, and do not recognize the Council of Trent. We use any of the ancient text that promotes Christ as teacher, savior, and Lord, and helps the seeker understand his/her own true nature.

We recognized the evolutionary forces of nature, thousand of years before Darwin was a gleam in His daddy's eye, and believe they were taught to us by Jesus Himself. Carl Jung, one of the fathers of modern psychology based his theories on our text.

 

[createdtoworship]

No. We are complete and total heretics to the catholic faith. We are not of any of the catholic schools, and do not recognize the Council of Trent. We use any of the ancient text that promotes Christ as teacher, savior, and Lord, and helps the seeker understand his/her own true nature.

okay, well then how do you parabalize things that are not parables? You must use rationalization still yes? how do you rationalize things that are not in the Bible?

 

[Sadalmelik]

you have offered no proof lazarus wasnot a parable, its your opinion, and your entitled to it, just like the ones who believe its a parable, they are also entitled to their opinion, and just as much evidence can be shown that it is a parable.

 

[Soulgazer]

okay, well then how do you parabalize things that are not parables? You must use rationalization still yes? how do you rationalize things that are not in the Bible?

We recognized the evolutionary forces of nature, thousand of years before Darwin was a gleam in His daddy's eye, and believe they were taught to us by Jesus Himself. Carl Jung, one of the fathers of modern psychology based his theories on our text.

One of our writings teaches the Divinity of reason. However, we believe that everything that exists in nature is a pale reflection of the true existence beyond the veil. The "Big Bang" would correspond to "the first thought" etc. In that sense, everything is parable within parable.

We believe that ignorance is the Mother of all evil, so we put a high value on education.

 

[Sadalmelik]

interesting that in luke, the preceeding chapt./verses were all parables....

luke 15:1-7
luke 15:8-10
luke 15:11-32
luke 16:1-18

so it certainly would not be a far fetch for one to assume that accordingly....
luke 16:19-31 is also a parable.

 

[createdtoworship]

interesting that in luke, the preceeding chapt./verses were all parables....

luke 15:1-7
luke 15:8-10
luke 15:11-32
luke 16:1-18

so it certainly would not be a far fetch for one to assume that accordingly....
luke 16:19-31 is also a parable.

show me one parable other than lazerus that named the name of someone, you can't find one. This is why it's not a parable, parables use generalized nouns like a farmer a peasant, or a widow. Never names one person because it limits your viewability.

 

[Timothew]

show me one parable other than lazerus that named the name of someone, you can't find one. This is why it's not a parable, parables use generalized nouns like a farmer a peasant, or a widow. Never names one person because it limits your viewability.

Where did the no names rule come from?
Is there any logical reason why a parable can't use a proper name?
I know of a parable that uses a proper name, The parable of Lazarus and the rich man!
A parable is an earthly story with a spiritual truth. Names or no names doesn't affect whether or not it is a parable.
You might as well say "a parable can't have a Samaritan in it, aside from the parable of the Good Samaritan, show me one parable that contains a Samaritan. So the parable of the Good Samaritan isn't a parable, because it contains a Samaritan."

 

[Sadalmelik]

show me one parable other than lazerus that named the name of someone, you can't find one. This is why it's not a parable, parables use generalized nouns like a farmer a peasant, or a widow. Never names one person because it limits your viewability.

point taken, but is that all you have in regards to 'proving' this is not a parable? cause if thats it, its weak.

 

[Sadalmelik]

funny that it sure starts like a parable....'there was a....' sure sounds like a parable to me.

 

[Timothew]

Here's a list of all the parables: Parables of Jesus Christ

Alert servants13:33-37Barren fig tree13:6-9Bread of life6:31-38Budding fig tree24:32-3513:28-3221:29-33Children in market11:16-197:31-35Christian light5:14-164:21-238:16-18Dinner guests14:15-24Divided kingdom12:24-303:22-2711:14-23Feast invitations14:12-14Friend at midnight11:5-13Good Samaritan10:25-37Good shepherd10:1-18Great physician9:10-132:15-175:29-32Grooms attendants9:14-152:18-205:33-35Growing seed4:26-29Hidden treasure13:44Householder13:52Humbled guest14:7-11King's war plans14:31-33Laborers in vineyard20:1-16Landowner21:33-4612:1-1220:9-18Leaven13:3313:20-21Lost coin15:8-10Lost sheep15:4-7Marriage feast22:1-14Mustard seed13:31-324:30-3213:18-19Net of fish13:47-50New cloth9:162:215:36New wine9:172:225:37-39Pearl of great price13:45-46Pharisee and tax collector18:9-14Prodigal son15:11-32Rich man & Lazarus16:19-31Rich fool12:16-21Salt without taste5:139:5014:34-35Servant's duty17:7-10Sheep and goats25:31-46Sign of Jonah12:38-4211:29-32Tares in field (part 1)13:24-30Tares in field (part 2)13:36-43Ten Minas19:11-27Ten talents25:14-30Ten virgins25:1-13The Sower (part 1)13:3-94:3-208:4-15The Sower (part 2)13:18-23Two debtors7:41-43Two sons21:28-32Unclean spirit12:43-4511:24-26Unjust judge18:1-8Unjust steward16:1-13Unmerciful servant18:21-35Unprepared builder14:28-30Vine and branches15:1-17Watching servants12:35-40Wise builder7:24-276:47-49Wise servant24:45-51Wise steward12:42-48

The Parable of the rich man and Lazarus is on the list, so it's a parable.