Establish The Law

Clare73 · Jul 12, 2023

HIM said:
Please, Pomposity at best

HIM said:
Schoolyard nonsense

I realize those are your opinions, and we all know about opinions, they're like noses, everybody's got them.

Clare73 · Jul 12, 2023

Gary K said:
Sorry, but I don't buy that. The Greek and English grammar of the text in question disprove that.

And therein is the problem of your "hermeneutic."

Clare73 · Jul 12, 2023

Gary K said:
There is a text which tells us Jesus is our sanctification.

Previously addressed.

Gary K · Jul 12, 2023

Clare73 said:
Previously addressed.

Like I said. We disagree.

Clare73 · Jul 12, 2023

Gary K said:
I can demonstrate the grammar verse 27 too. You cannot do the same for verse 27. You will just deny anything I say that disagrees with your interpretation of NT theology so what's the point of doing that?

Lotta' hat and no cowboy.

Clare73 · Jul 12, 2023

HIM said:
And another thing. As if His answer to your question means anything. I know a lot of people who see but read and study the Bible and can't discern from scriptures without being told what it says. Some of these are great teachers but they them selves rely on teachers who are taught from our Lord through the Word or His Spirit. No offense @Gary K I have much respect for you and do not consider you in this light. We are just trying to make a point, however the endeavor might come out. Pompous nonsense.

And? You have a problem with good teachers?

Clare73 · Jul 12, 2023

Gary K said:
So this is how you demonstrate your Christ likeness? Shrugs. Oh well.

So I agree with the statement, referencing an example, as they must have had to make the statement, and that puts me at fault?

I think that is called a double standard.

Gary K · Jul 12, 2023

Clare73 said:
And? You have a problem with good teachers?

Where did that come from? Him said nothing of the sort.

Clare73 · Jul 12, 2023

HIM said:
Same can be said of you, me or any. Why not just stop and just address scripture or points given with Scripture in regard to the given topic?

Points addressed, Biblically demonstrated and the only reponse is assertion with no Biblical demonstration.

Feel free to point out a Biblical demonstration I may have missed.

Gary K · Jul 12, 2023

Clare73 said:
So I agree with the statement, referencing an example, as they must have had to make the statement, and that puts me at fault?

I think hat is called a double standard.

I didn't say it. HIM did.

Clare73 · Jul 12, 2023

Gary K said:
Like I said. We disagree.

And you also have no Biblical demonstration of your assertion.

Gary K · Jul 12, 2023

Clare73 said:
Points addressed, Biblically demonstrated and the only reponse is assertion with no Biblical demonstration.

Feel free to point out a Biblical demonstration I may have missed.

Untrue. I've given you scripture again and again but you disagree with my interpretation of scripture just like I disagree with yours.

Clare73 · Jul 12, 2023

Gary K said:
Untrue. I've given you scripture again and again but you disagree with my interpretation of scripture just like I disagree with yours.

Presenting Scripture and Biblically demonstrating your assertion are not the same thing.
You have not done the latter.

Your assertion regarding Eph 2:15 remains yet to be Biblically demonstrated by your amateurish hermeneutic.

Gary K · Jul 12, 2023

Clare73 said:
Presenting Scripture and Biblically demonstrating your assertion are not the same thing.
You have not done the latter.

Your assertion regarding Eph 2:15 remains yet to be Biblically demonstrated by your amateurish hermeneutic.

So you say. You don't like my reading of scripture. Oh well, you're not the first. Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Calvinists and Catholics don't either so you have lots of company.

Minister Monardo · Jul 12, 2023

Clare73 said:
Presenting Scripture and Biblically demonstrating your assertion are not the same thing.
You have not done the latter.

Your assertion regarding Eph 2:15 remains yet to be Biblically demonstrated by your amateurish hermeneutic.

Wow! And you have?
"the law of commandments in ordinances"
nomos entole en dogma
At that time the Jewish sages and teachers had created a wall of dogma=doctrines and interpretations of the law that had completely separated themselves from the ability to attain the righteousness of the law by faith. And somehow you think that your dogmatic assertions have not created the same level of division within the body of Christ because you are the student of dogma! Academic study of theology provides nothing more than indoctrination to a set of man made beliefs that run counter to a walk of faith in the Spirit, which is illumination.
Your insistence that the Law of God stands in opposition to faith runs contrary to apostolic doctrine.
Hebrews 4:2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them,
not being mixed with faith in those who heard.
Faith is walking in obedience to the Spirit, and insures that we fulfill the law in our words and actions.
The Law stands (is established) by faith, manifesting the word written on our hearts.

The idea that you would come on a forum thread and declare yourself a teacher, and those who disapprove of your sayings
as unworthy students strikes me as bizarre. You should remind yourself of what we have been taught.

James 3:1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.

Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness,
have not submitted to the righteousness of God.

6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ”
(that is, to bring Christ down from above)
7 or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach):

I hope you know what Paul is quoting from, because the Law of Moses informs exactly how to interpret the law by faith,
which is by prayer and receiving from the Spirit, now more so than before. There is no opposition to the Law by faith,
there is only "the opposition of knowledge, falsely so called". For "knowledge puffs up, but love builds up."
Your self-proclaimed authority as a teacher has only proven your dogmatic position.

Galatians 5:3 For if anyone thinks himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself.

You haven't even come close to grasping the message of the OP, but have pursued your own purposes, de-railed the
thread, and have not displayed any of the grace in which we STAND=histemi=establish.

Show me your faith without works, I will show you my faith by my works of faith. What I hear from the Lord during my
devotions I present to the Body in these threads. Your posts reek of academia.

Minister Monardo · Jul 12, 2023

Mr. M said:
Establish-[G2476] histemi=set, stand, make stand, establish

Romans 5:
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Romans 10:
3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness,
have not submitted to the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Ephesians 6:
10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11 Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,

Mr. M said:
against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day,
and having done all, to stand.

Clare73 said:
And you also have no Biblical demonstration of your assertion.

Please connect the dots using the verses provided in the OP, which you have ignored
to pursue your own agenda, or open your own thread on your Faith VS Law belief.

Clare73 · Jul 12, 2023

Gary K said:
So you say. You don't like my reading of scripture. Oh well, you're not the first. Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Calvinists and Catholics don't either so you have lots of company.

Non-responsive.

Gary K · Jul 12, 2023

Clare73 said:
Non-responsive.

So you say. I am getting the idea that you don't like me or my beliefs.

HIM · Jul 12, 2023

Clare73 said:
And? You have a problem with good teachers?

That is what you got from that? Wow! You are way to combative.

I have spoken to you in times past and don't remember you being this way. I pray if you are going through something it lightens.Take care.

Gary K · Jul 12, 2023

HIM said:
insolent child

That is what you got from that? Wow! You are way to combative.

I have spoken to you in times past and don't remember you being this way. I pray if you are going through something it lightens.Take care.

That is probably on me as she and I have been going back and forth for days now.

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