Establish The Law

[Gary K]

In the NT, law and faith are opposing principles of salvation.
Faith is not law, faith is set in opposition to law, both of them being principles of operation in regard to being saved from God's wrath (Ro 5:9) on one's sin.

So you're ignoring my comment on how both the Greek and English grammar of the text disprove your comment? Why?

 

[Minister Monardo]

The Greek reads: "Where therefore the boasting? It was shut out. Through what Law? of works? no, but through a law of faith."

In the NT, faith is not law, faith is grace.

The word "law" is being used in the Greek to mean a principle of operation.

Boasting is shut out by the principle of faith, which exlcudes the principle of works in salvation, and leaving no good works to boast about.

What do law and faith have in common? Obedience!
Romans 1:5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name,

Paul makes it perfectly clear that the problem was not the law, but the flesh.
Romans 8:
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

 

[Clare73]

That is exactly the opposite of what the reference verse states:

The reference verse being Ro 3:27.

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

The only law that opposes faith is the law of sin and death.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.

In salvation from the wrath of God (Ro 5:9), the law is opposed to faith, in that salvation is by faith only, not by works, lest anyone should boast (Eph 2:8-9).

 

[Clare73]

So you're ignoring my comment on how both the Greek and English grammar of the text disprove your comment? Why?

I demonstrated the meaning of those texts.

Feel fee to demonstrate the error of the meaning I presented, being true to the context and to NT teaching.

 

[Gary K]

I demonstrated the meaning of those texts.

Feel fee to demonstrate the error of the meaning I presented, being true to the context and to NT teaching.

I can demonstrate the grammar verse 27 too. You cannot do the same for verse 27. You will just deny anything I say that disagrees with your interpretation of NT theology so what's the point of doing that?

 

[Clare73]

I can demonstrate the grammar verse 27 too. You cannot do the same for verse 27. You will just deny anything I say that disagrees with your interpretation of NT theology so what's the point of doing that?

Have you studied the whole Bible?

It might be a good idea to be better informed before you make your assertions.

 

[Gary K]

Have you studied the whole Bible?

It might be a good idea to be better informed before you make your assertions.

Yes, as I obviously quote far more OT scripture than you do. I can't figure out why you would made that assertion.

 

[Clare73]

Yes, as I obviously quote far more OT scripture than you do. I can't figure out why you would made that assertion.

So you've studied the whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation.
Have you studied Leviticus? Deuteronomy?

 

[Gary K]

So you've studied the whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation.
Have you studied Leviticus? Deuteronomy?

Yes. How do you think I know them well enough to post from them and to answer assertions made from them?

 

[HIM]

Jesus is our righteousness in that his atonement and sacrifice removed our sin, unrighteousness.

There is:
1) forensic righteousness - imputed in God's declaration of "not guilty," sentence of acquittal, finding of right standing with the Court; i.e., penalty paid, time served, nothing owing to the Court,
2) actual righteousness - through obedience in the Holy Spirit which leads to righteousness leading to holinesss (Ro 6:16, 19), and
3) Jesus our righteousness - his atoning sacrifice removing our sin, unrighteousness.

By His stripes we are healed, go and sin no more

 

[HIM]

Have you studied the whole Bible?

It might be a good idea to be better informed before you make your assertions.

What an idiotic statement. As if what? You do? He doesn't? Please, it is best to address what is shared with things that prove it is false or true with scripture not subjective assertions about one another.

 

[HIM]

So you've studied the whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation.
Have you studied Leviticus? Deuteronomy?

And another thing. As if His answer to your question means anything. I know a lot of people who see but read and study the Bible and can't discern from scriptures without being told what it says. Some of these are great teachers but they them selves rely on teachers who are taught from our Lord through the Word or His Spirit. No offense @Gary K I have much respect for you and do not consider you in this light. We are just trying to make a point, however the endeavor might come out. Pompous nonsense.

 

[HIM]

What do law and faith have in common? Obedience!
Romans 1:5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name,

Paul makes it perfectly clear that the problem was not the law, but the flesh.
Romans 8:
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

He says also in Chapters one,3 and 10 the just, the righteous shall live by faith. The faith that establishes the law. So say not in your heart, bring Christ down from above or up from the deep. But what say it? The Word is in thy heart and in thy mouth, That is the word of faith in which we preach. For God has said His Law is in our hearts and in our mouths that we do it. He has given us of His Spirit. Reconciling us to Himself. Behold old things are passed away and all things are new and of God.

 

[Clare73]

What an idiotic statement. As if what? You do? He doesn't? Please, it is best to address what is shared with things that prove it is false or true with scripture not subjective assertions about one another.

Observation based on experience.

 

[Clare73]

And another thing. As if His answer to your question means anything. I know a lot of people who see but read and study the Bible and can't discern from scriptures without being told what it says.

Seems to be the issue here.

Some of these are great teachers but they them selves rely on teachers who are taught from our Lord through the Word or His Spirit. No offense @Gary K I have much respect for you and do not consider you in this light. We are just trying to make a point, however the endeavor might come out. Pompous nonsense.

 

[Gary K]

Seems to be the issue here.

So this is how you demonstrate your Christ likeness? Shrugs. Oh well.

 

[HIM]

Observation based on experience.

Please, Pomposity at best

 

[HIM]

Seems to be the issue here.

Same can be said of you, me or any. Why not just stop and just address scripture or points given with Scripture in regard to the given topic?

Something so basic and you don't get it?

 

[HIM]

Schoolyard nonsense

 

[DamianWarS]

I presented them as a meditation on the Word of God. That is not something I can do for another. I am not trying to be snarky, let the word study and the verses speak to you personally. This just came to my mind as I was responding, listening to Falling Up, The Woodworker.
Psalm 1:
5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment,
Nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
6 For the Lord knows the way of the righteous,
But the way of the ungodly shall perish.

"And I wait, in the shivering night,
Somewhere a voice spoke inside.
And you climb, through the window outside,
And you told me to search for you there, in the Mystery".

A wonderful song from their final album.
Have a blessed day.
James

thank you for that motivation, this focus free of agenda is a rare find in these threads, I will indeed meditate on those words.