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It is not only full preterists that believe all seven seals have been opened. That's not the distinction between Orthodox and Unorthodox preterism. Full preterists do not believe in a future bodily resurrection or any future coming of Christ.
I'm of the belief that the Revelation of ST John was revealed to him (St John) prior to the destruction of the Temple (so many of the events were future - to St John). IOW......I don't believe the book of Revelation was written AFTER 70 A.D.Christ opened all of the seals during the first century, and then John was told... "Come and see."
John then recorded a future event, which he had been shown when the seal was removed by Christ.
Rev 6:3 When He opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, "Come and see."
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Not "by Christ" - it's the unveiling/revealing OF Christ.The Book of Revelation is the "revealing" by Christ.
As I posted already - that's not the distinction of a Full Preterist. There are Orthodox partial preterists that believe all that was revealed in Revelation has been and continues to be fulfilled. Let me introduce you to a couple (if I'm understanding them correctly - I still have plenty of studying to do):Do you think everything in the Book of Revelation was fulfilled during 70 AD, like the Full-Preterists believe?
As I posted already - that's not the distinction of a Full Preterist. There are Orthodox partial preterists that believe all that was revealed in Revelation has been and continues to be fulfilled.
Not "by Christ" - it's the unveiling/revealing OF Christ.
For example:Can you explain the "continues to be fulfilled" part of your statement above?
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For example:
Isaiah 9:7
Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
There will be no end to the increase of Christ's Government and peace.
It is ever increasing, each day, and will never be an end to this constant increase.
And another:
Eph 3:21
Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
This passage proves there is no such thing as a "Church Age", as Christ receives His glory "In the church throughout ALL Ages"
And also, as you can plainly see, has no end. It remains in a constant state of ongoing fulfillment, for ever and ever, world without end, Amen
For example:
Isaiah 9:7There will be no end to the increase of Christ's Government and peace.
Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
It is ever increasing, each day, and will never be an end to this constant increase.
And another:
Eph 3:21
Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
This passage proves there is no such thing as a "Church Age", as Christ receives His glory "In the church throughout ALL Ages"
And also, as you can plainly see, has no end. It remains in a constant state of ongoing fulfillment, for ever and ever, world without end, Amen
Are you claiming we are now living in the New Heavens and the New Earth?
I am putting this topic up on the CT board because of the controversial nature of it and that it may evolve into the realm of what is called "full preterism/realized eschatology" which can only be discussed on this board.
With that aside, I would like to put up the Preterist perspective from a Preterist site.
I am of the Covenantle view, of both the Olivet Discourse and Revelation, and will explain more about that as we get further along with this thread.
For now, here are a few Preterist views
[of course, both partial and full futurists can also post their views]
FUTURISTS
(Virtually No Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 & Revelation in 1st C. - Types Only ; Also Included are "Higher Critics" Not Associated With Any Particular Eschatology)]
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New Heavens and Earth
Global, Covenantal, or Personal?
"Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens, and a new earth." II Peter 3:13
John Brown (1853)
" 'Heaven and earth passing,' understood literally, is the dissolution of the present system of the universe, and the period when that is to take place, is called the 'end of the world.' But a person at all familiar with the phraseology of the Old Testament Scriptures, knows that the dissolution of the Mosaic economy, and the establishment of the Christian, is often spoken of as the removing of the old earth and heavens, and the creation of a new earth and new heavens" (vol. 1, p. 170)
"It appears, then, that is Scripture be the best interpreter of Scripture, we have in the Old Testament a key to the interpretation of the prophecies in the New. The same symbolism is found in both, and the imagery of Isaiah, Ezekiel, and the other prophets helps us to understand the imagery of St. Matthew, St. Peter, and St. John. As the dissolution of the material world is not necessary to the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy, neither is it necessary to the accomplishment of the predictions of the New Testament. But though symbols are metaphorical expressions, they are not unmeaning. It is not necessary to allegorise them, and find a corresponding equivalent for every trope; it is sufficient to regard the imagery as employed to heighten the sublimity of the prediction and to clothe it with impressiveness and grandeur. There are, at the same time, a true propriety and an underlying reality in the symbols of prophecy. The moral and spiritual facts which they represent, the social and ecumenical changes which they typify, could not be adequately set forth by language less majestic and sublime. There is reason for believing that an inadequate apprehension of the real grandeur and significance of such events as the destruction of Jerusalem and the abrogation of the Jewish economy lies at the root of that system of interpretation which maintains that nothing answering to the symbols of the New Testament prophecy has ever taken place. Hence the uncritical and unscriptural figments of double senses, and double, triple, and multiple fulfillments of prophecy. That physical disturbances in nature and extraordinary phenomena in the heavens and in the earth may have accompanied the expiring throes of the Jewish dispensation we are not prepared to deny. It seems to us highly probable that such things were. But the literal fulfillment of the symbols is not essential to the verification of prophecy, which is abundantly proved to be true by the recorded facts of history." (vol. i. p.200).
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Isaiah 51:15-16 | Hebrews 12:25-29
Another example of "heaven and earth" being referred to the Covenant World of Israel, and not literal creation, is Isaiah 51:16, "And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.
Notice that God is speaking to Israel. He says he gave them his law, the Old Covenant, the same law Jesus is speaking about in Matthew 5:17-18, to establish heaven and lay the foundation of the earth!
Clearly God is not saying he gave the Old Covenant to Israel to create literal heaven and earth! Material creation existed long before Israel was ever given the Old Covenant.
Isaiah 51:16 And I have put my words in your mouth and covered you in the shadow of my hand, establishing the heavens and laying the foundations of the earth, and saying to Zion, 'You are my people.'
Who is God speaking to in Isaiah 1:1-2, "…Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth." The physical creation?
No, he is speaking to Israel. And who is the witness in Deuteronomy 4:26, "I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day"? Physical creation or Old Covenant Israel?
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https://www.preteristarchive.com/StudyArchive/n/new-heavens-earth.html
David Chilton (1987)
"Moreover, the phrase heaven and earth in these contexts does not, as Owen pointed out, refer to the physical heaven and the physical world, but to the world-order, the religious organizations of the world, the "House" or Temple God builds in which He is worshipped." (Days of Vengeance., p. 544)
On the Significance of A.D.70)
"Scripture connects as one theological Event - the Advent - Christ’s birth, life, resurrection, ascension, the outpouring of His Spirit upon the Church in A.D. 30, and the outpouring of His wrath upon Israel in the Holocaust of A.D. 66-70." (David Chilton, The Days of Vengeance, p. 285)
"...the Bible speaks of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon the Church and the destruction of Israel as being the same event, for they were intimately connected theologically. The prophet Joel foretold both the Day of Pentecost and the destruction of Jerusalem in one breath." (David Chilton, The Great Tribulation, p. 21)
The Olivet Discourse is not about the Second Coming of Christ. It is a prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70." (quoted by Ice)
(On The Olivet Discourse)
"The Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21).. is a prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70" (Paradise Restored, p. 224)
(On Matthew 24:13)
"We must remember that "the end" in this passage is not the end of the world, but rather the end of the age, the end of the Temple, the sacrificial system, the covenant nation of Israel, and the last remnants of the pre-Christian era." (Days of Vengeance, p. 89)
(On Matthew 24:34 and the "Generation Means Race" Theory)
"Some have sought to get around the force of this text by saying that the word generation here really means race, and that Jesus was simply saying that the Jewish race would not die out until all these things took place. Is that true? I challenge you: Get out your concordance and look up every New Testament occurrence of the word generation (in Greek, genea) and see if it ever means 'race' in any other context. Here are all the references for the Gospels: Matthew 1:17; 11:16; 12:39, 41, 42, 45; 16:4; 17:17; 23:36; 24:34; Mark 8:12, 38; 9:19; 13:30; Luke 1:48, 50; 7:31; 9:41; 11:29, 30, 31, 32, 50, 51; 18:8; 17:25; 21:32.
Not one of these references is speaking of the entire Jewish race over thousands of years; all use the word in its normal sense of the sum total of those living at the same time. It always refers to contemporaries. (In fact, those who say it means "race" tend to acknowledge this fact, but explain that the word suddenly changes its meaning when Jesus uses it in Matthew 24! We can smile at such a transparent error, but we should also remember that this is very serious. We are dealing with the Word of the living God.)." (The Great Tribulation, p. 3)
(On the Dating of Revelation)
“John emphasizes his anticipation of the soon occurrences of his prophecy by strategic placement of these time references. He places his boldest time statements in both the introduction and conclusion to Revelation. It is remarkable that so many recent commentators have missed it literally coming and going! The statement of expectancy is found three times in the first chapter – twice in the first three verses: Revelation 1:1,3,19. The same idea is found four times in his concluding remarks: Revelation 22:6,7,12,20. It is as if John carefully bracketed the entire work to avoid any confusion.” (The Beast of Revelation; Tyler, TX; ICE, 1982; p. 21-22
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Gary DeMar (1996)
"Jesus does not change subjects when He assures the disciples that "heaven and earth will pass away." Rather, He merely affirms His prior predictions, which are recorded in Matthew 24:2931. Verse 36 is a summary and confirmation statement of these verses.(6) Keep in mind that the central focus of the Olivet Discourse is the desolation of the "house" and "world" of apostate Israel (23:36). The old world of Judaism, represented by the earthly temple, is taken apart stone by stone (24:2). James Jordan writes, "each time God brought judgment on His people during the Old Covenant, there was a sense in which an old heavens and earth was replaced with a new one: New rulers were set up, a new symbolic world model was built (Tabernacle, Temple), and so forth."(7) The New Covenant replaces the Old Covenant with new leaders, a new priesthood, new sacraments, a new sacrifice, a new tabernacle (John 1:14), and a new temple (John 2:19; 1 Corinthians 3:16; Ephesians 2:21). In essence, a new heaven and earth.
The darkening of the sun and moon and the falling of the stars, coupled with the shaking of the heavens (24:29), are more descriptive ways of saying that "heaven and earth will pass away" (24:35). In other contexts, when stars fall, they fall to the earth, a sure sign of temporal judgment (Isaiah 14:12; Daniel 8:10; Revelation 6:13; 9:1; 12:4). So then, the "passing away of heaven and earth" is the passing away of the old covenant world of Judaism led and upheld by those who "crucified the Lord of glory" (1 Corinthians 2:8). "
"John Owen, the Puritan scholar, knows his Bible better than most of the rest of us, and he tells us exactly where the Old Testament foretells a 'new heaven and earth."
"Owen is right on target, asking the question that so many expositors fail to ask: Where had God promised to bring "new heavens and a new earth" The answer, as Owen correctly states, is only in Isaiah 65 and 66 - passages which clearly prophesy the period of the Gospel, brought in by the work of Christ." (ibid., p. 495)
"Because of what may be called the 'collapsing universe' terminology used in this passage, many have assumed that St. Peter is speaking of the final end of the physical heaven and earth, rather than the dissolution of the Old Covenant world order." (Last Days Madness, p. 540)
J. Marcellus Kik (1971)
"But what about the new heaven and the new earth? Will there not be a renovated material heaven and earth? When the Scriptures speak of a new heaven and new earth it is not a material concept, but a spiritual concept."
"Just a little reflection will show that to take Revelation 21 and 22 in a literal way is to make utter foolishness of that which John revealed. In that figurative passage you cannot say that the "new heaven and new earth" is a material concept while the rest is to be taken in a figurative way. The "new heaven and new earth" is but the same as "the holy city" and "the Lamb's bride." (An Eschatology Of Victory, p. 254-256)
you did read the part about the hail being great, the weight of a talent?Exo_9:25 And the hail smote throughout all the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast; and the hail smote every herb of the field, and brake every tree of the field.
Did the Romans cast giant hail stones, or rocks, during 70 AD.
See if you can find somebody who said they looked like hailstones, to make your form of preterism work.
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if a biblical day is a thousand years
Ummm, a silence in the heaven then the 7 Trumpets
The SEVEN SEALS of Revelation study
The First Seal: Rider on a White Horse
Revelation 6:
1 And I saw when the Lambkin opens up one out of the seven Seals and I hear one out of the four Living Ones saying as sound of thunder "be coming!
2 And I looked and behold! a white Horse, and the One sitting on it is having a bow and there was given to Him a crown, and He came forth conquering and that He should be conquering.
The Second Seal: War
3 And when It opens up the second Seal, I hear the second Living One saying " be coming"! 4 And came forth another Horse,fiery-red and to Him sitting on it was giving to be taking the Peace out of the land, and that one another they should be slaying. And there was given to Him a great Sword.
The Third Seal: Famine
5 And when It opens up the third Seal, I hear of the third Living One saying "be coming! And I looked and behold! a black Horse and Him sitting on it having a Yoke/Balance in His hand.
6 And I hear a voice in midst of the four Living Ones saying, "A measure of wheat for a denary and three measures of barley for a denary, and the oil and the wine no thou should be injuring".
The Fourth Seal: Death
7 And when It opens up the fourth Seal, I hear a voice of the fourth Living One saying "be coming!’"
8 And I looked and behold! a pale Horse and Him sitting on it, a name to him the Death and the Hades followed Him.
And was given to them authority over the fourth of the land, to kill in sword, and in famine and in death and by the beasts of the land.
The Fifth Seal: Martyrs under the Altar
9 And when It opens up the fifth Seal, I saw under the Altar the souls of Those slaughtered because of the word of the GOD, and because of the Testimony which they held.
10 And They cry a great voice saying "till when O Master/Owner, the Holy and the True, not Thou are judging and and avenging Our blood out of those dwelling upon the land?"
11 And was given to each of Them a White Robe and was declared to Them that they should be resting still little time, till should be fulfilling also their fellow bondservants and their brethren, those being about to being killed as also they.
The Sixth Seal: Sun, Moon and Stars
12 And I saw when It opens up the sixth Seal and became a great earthquake and the Sun became black as hairy sackcloth, and the whole Moon became as blood, 13 and the Stars of the heaven fall to the land, as a fig-tree casting it's shriveled figs by a great wind being shaken.
14 And the heaven coils as a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island out of their places were moved. 15 And the Kings of the land, and the greatest, and the rich, and the Chiefs of thousands, and the strong and every slave and every free one, hide themselves into the caves and into the rocks of the mountains.
16 And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks "be falling upon us! and hide us! from Face of Him sitting on the throne and from the wrath of the Lambkin.
17 That came the Day, the great, of Their wrath and who is able to stand?
The Seventh Seal: Silence in heaven half hour
Revelation 8
1 And when It opens up the seventh Seal,
became a hush in the heaven as half hour.
2 And I saw the seven Messengers who before the GOD have stood and were given to them seven Trumpets.
3 and another Messenger came and stood at the Altar, having a golden Censer. And was given to Him many incenses, that He shall be imparting to the prayers of all the Saints on the golden Altar before the Throne. 4 And ascended the smoke of the incenses to the prayers of the Saints out of hand of the Messenger before the GOD. 5 And the Messenger has taken the Censer and cram fills it out of the fire of the Altar and casts it into the land. And became sounds and thunders and lightnings and an earthquake.
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Habakkuk 2:20
“But YAHWEH is in Holy Temple.
Let all the earth keep silence<2013> before HIM.”
Zepheniah 1:7
Be silent!<2013> in the presence of 'Adonay YAHWEH; For the day of YAHWEH is at hand,
For YAHWEH has prepared a sacrifice; HE has invited HIS guests.
Zechariah 2
13 “Be silent!<2013>, all flesh, before YAHWEH, for He is roused from HIS Holy Habitation!”
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BABerean2 said: ↑
Exo_9:25 And the hail smote throughout all the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast; and the hail smote every herb of the field, and brake every tree of the field.
Hello Eric.you did read the part about the hail being great, the weight of a talent?
BABerean2 said: ↑
Exo_9:25 And the hail smote throughout all the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast; and the hail smote every herb of the field, and brake every tree of the field.
Hello Erik.you did read the part about the hail being great, the weight of a talent?
I made the poll where one can change their vote later on.
Discuss...........
John 11:48
"If ever we may be letting Him thus, all shall be believing into Him, and shall be coming the Romans and they shall be taking away of Us and the Place and the Nation."
Revelation 6:6
And I hear as a sound in midst of the four living ones, saying: "choinex of grain of Denarius and three choinex of barleys of Denarius, and the olive-oil
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Revelation 16:21
And Hail great as talent-weight/talantiaia <5006> is descending out of the heaven/sky upon the Men.
And the men blaspheme the God out of the blow of the Hail, that great is the blow of it, tremendous. [# 5464 used in Ezekiel 38:22]
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History of the Destruction of Jerusalem & Josephan Studies Archives
"During the Middle Ages, Josephus was the most widely read ancient author in Europe.. Josephus' literary influence had no equals, with the sole exception of the Bible."
Was Flavius Josephus familiar with the Apocalypse of John?
John's Revelation - “And there were noises and thundering and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth.” (16:18)
Josephus - “for there broke out a prodigious storm in the night, with the utmost violence, and very strong winds, with the largest showers of rain, with continued lightnings, terrible thunderings, and amazing concussions and bellowings of the earth, that was in an earthquake.
These things were a manifest indication that some destruction was coming upon men, when the system of the world was put into this disorder; and any one would guess that these wonders foreshowed some grand calamities that were coming” (“Wars of the Jews” 4:4:5)
John's Revelation - "Now the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And great Babylon was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.” (16:19)
Josephus - “it so happened that the sedition at Jerusalem was revived, and parted into three factions, and that one faction fought against the other; which partition in such evil cases may be said to be a good thing, and the effect of divine justice.” (5:1:1)
John's Revelation - “And great hail from heaven fell upon men, each hailstone about the weight of a talent.” (16:21)
Josephus - “Now the stones that were cast were of the weight of a talent, and were carried two furlongs and further. The blow they gave was no way to be sustained, not only by those that stood first in the way, but by those that were beyond them for a great space. As for the Jews, they at first watched the coming of the stone, for it was of a white color, and could therefore not only be perceived by the great noise it made, but could be seen also before it came by its brightness;” (5:6:3)
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A few commentaries:
http://www.livius.org/ja-jn/jewish_wars/jwar04.html
Now working.........
After this success, John wanted to launch a preemptive strike at the Romans, who were building new camps to the west of the city: one for the legions XII Fulminata and XV Apollinaris and one for legion V Macedonica. But John was afraid that Simon would close the city gates behind his back, and did not assail the new camps. As a consequence, the legions were able to build their redoubts almost without any trouble; soon, their catapults started to throw heavy stones into the city. Under cover of this artillery fire, the Roman soldiers could start to bash the northern wall with their battering-rams.
IBSS - The Bible - Revelation
100 lb. Hailstones
Revelation 16:21 tells how huge hailstones fell from heaven weighing a talent which is about 100 pounds. Josephus describes 100 lb. white stones coming from Roman catapults down on the Jews in Jerusalem (Jewish Wars, Book 5.6.3).
https://www.kennethgentry.com/catalog/apocalypse.htm
The prophecy of the talent weight hailstones has found a similar fulfillment in the siege of Jerusalem, according to the preterist. Josephus states of the catapults of the Roman tenth legion: "the stones that were cast, were of the weight of a talent, and were carried two furlongs and further.... As for the Jews, they at first watched the coming of the stone, for it was a white color" (Wars 5:6:3). These stones not only had the weight required by John, but were the same color as hail.
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so the Christians had the blood of the lamb of God and were spared Apollyon the destroyer?Hello Eric.
A lot of the symbolism in Revelation goes back to Egypt.
While studying on the Destroyer in Revelation and the blood of the Lambkin in relation to the Passover, I was led to the Passover event in Exodus 12
The 14th of the month is similar to the day Titus encompassed Jerusalem
[Please peruse my "Titus and Passover" thread]
Exodus 12:
6 And it shall be kept by you till the fourteenth of this month, and all the multitude of the congregation of the children of Israel shall kill it toward evening.
Titus sieges Jerusalem on Feast of Passover/Destroyer in Revelation/
The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover
This memorable siege terminated on the eighth day of the ninth month, A. D. 70 : its duration was nearly five months, the Romans having invested the city on the fourteenth day of the fourth month, preceeding.
Revelation 18:8
Thru this in one day shall be arriving<2240> Her blows,
death and sorrow and famine.
And in fire She shall be utterly burned<2618>, that strong Lord the GOD, the One judging Her.
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Exodus 12:
11 And thus shall ye eat it: your loins girded, and your sandals on your feet, and your staves in your hands, and ye shall eat it in haste. It is a passover to the Lord. 12 and I will go throughout the land of Egypt in that night, and will smite every first-born in the land of Egypt both man and beast, and on all the gods of Egypt will I execute vengeance: I am the Lord. 13 And the blood shall be for a sign to you on the houses in which ye are, and I will see the blood, and will protect you, and there shall not be on you the plague of destruction, when I smite in the land of Egypt.
23 And Yahweh passes<5674 `abar> to strike the Egyptians and He sees the blood on the lintel and on two of the jambs and Yahweh passes-over<6452 pacach> the portal and not He shall allow the ruiner/destroyer<07843 shachath>/<1842 oleqreuonta> to come to houses of ye to strike.[Revelation 9:11]
29 And it came to pass at midnight that the Lord smote all the first-born in the land of Egypt, [Matthew 25:6]............................
07843 shachath {shaw-khath'} a primitive root; TWOT - 2370; v
AV - destroy 96, corrupt 22, mar 7, destroyer 3, corrupters 2, waster 2, spoilers 2, battered 1, corruptly 1, misc 11; 147 1) to destroy, corrupt, go to ruin, decay
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Similar time shown here in the parable........MIDNIGHT.
Matthew 25:
3 Who any foolish getting the lamps of selves not they got with themselves oil
4 The yet prudent ones got oil in the holders with the lamps of them. [Matt 13:48]
5 Of tarrying yet the Bridegroom they nod all and are slept.
6 Yet, of middle of night a cry has occurred "behold! the Bridegroom. Be ye coming out! into meeting of Him".
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Revelation 9:11
and they are having of them a king the Messenger of the Abyss, name to him to Hebrew abaddwn <3>, and in the Greecian name is having apolluon/destroyer/ruiner<623>
623. Apolluon active participle of 622;
a destroyer (i.e. Satan):--Apollyon. from 575 and the base of 3639; to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively:--destroy, die, lose, mar, perish
3639. olethros ol'-eth-ros from a primary ollumi (to destroy; a prolonged form); ruin, i.e. death, punishment:--destruction.
622. apollumi ap-ol'-loo-mee from 575 and the base of 3639; to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively:--destroy, die, lose, mar, perish
Jesus was back there even then, so in essence, the ones that put the blood of the lamb were a type of the Hebrew Israelites that would be called "Christians" in the NT/NC because of the shed blood of their [and our] Messiah.so the Christians had the blood of the lamb of God and were spared Apollyon the destroyer?
Get on your analytical "art appreciation" hats:
Little Lamb of Jesus has included in his tagline area a picture called, "The Scroll, the Serpent, and our Salvation." It got my interest. It is highly controversial due to some of its interpretations. For many people, none of these deeper meanings are readily apparent. You never know why someone likes or hates this picture, and I thought it would be a good subject for discussion. Can you tell me what the images in the picture and their relationship to each other means to you?
you did read the part about the hail being great, the weight of a talent?
100 lbs.?How big would the hail have to be to break every tree?
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The biggest hint that most futurists [and perhaps some Preterists]seem to miss concerning Revelation being 70ad is the Roman denari in Reve 6:6 and that verse is concerning the great FAMINE that occurred during the Roman siege of 70ad Jerusalem..........I could practically harmonize Josephus's account of 70ad to Revelation [which I may do, time allowing]100 lbs.?
There was much more to be revealed - do you think Christ's plan and character can be easily summed up? The followers of Jesus had a LOT to process. Their Messiah died on a cross (which would normally exclude Him from being considered a Messiah in the first place).Was He not revealed as the Son of God during the time of His earthly ministry?
Exactly "must SHORTLY come to pass".What did God give unto Christ, to be shown to His servants?
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
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