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If Jesus decide to be visible sitting on His Throne in Heaven to all men on the Earth to see Him during the 6Th Seal Events, whatever it be in a ''Worldwide VISION'' or by other means He can do it.And how are those on the earth at the end of Revelation chapter 6 seeing Jesus on His throne in the third heaven?
Do they have some type of special video camera that lets them see what is happening in the third heaven?
You are totally wrong.It still speaks of a spiritual reality in heaven and not a physical earthly kingdom.
If Jesus decide to be visible sitting on His Throne in Heaven to all men on the Earth to see Him during the 6Th Seal Events, whatever it be in a ''Worldwide VISION'' or by other means He can do it.
Some OT Prophets have seen God sitting on His Throne in Heaven in a VISION and John have seen The Throne Room of God in a VISION as well.
If Jesus decide to be visible to the unbelievers -sitting on His Throne in Heaven during the 6Th Seal Events TO GET THEM IN FEARS- --->THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS REPORTED By John IN REVELATION 6:15-17 .Were those in the OT who saw God sitting on His throne unbelievers?
Show us the scripture to prove that point.
[/COLOR]The New Heaven and New Earth mentioned in [Revelation 21]is Cited to Happen AFTER the 1,000 years physical kingdom of Jesus on the Earth mentioned in Revelation 20 that you ignore.Or are you once again trying to make your premill doctrine work?
Do you understand the difference between this rotten, sin-curse earth, and the New Heavens and New Earth found in 2 Peter 3:10-13?
They are both just as real as the computer I am now using.
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The New Heaven and New Earth mentioned in [Revelation 21]is Cited to Happen AFTER the 1,000 years physical kingdom of Jesus on the Earth mentioned in Revelation 20 that you ignore.
We know that you don't like the order of the Book of Revelation who begin with Revelation Chapter 1 and End in Revelation Chapter 22.I don't ignore it.
I understand that the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order and that it is full of symbolic language
Revelation 19:17-18 also describes Armageddon. Their flesh will be eaten by wild animals.Revelation 16:15-16 says nothing about those being eaten by wild animals.
Does that mean it is not referring to Armageddon?
Both. The sun will flash intensely brightly; like seven days brightness in one, then the ejected mass will obscure the sun from us, causing darkness for 24 hours, as the mass approaches. There are many prophesies that say how people will be terrified then, as they see their doom approaching. Ezekiel 7:17You claim a solar Coronal Mass Ejection is going to cause tremendous change on the planet.
Does the sun darken during a CME event or does it get brighter?
They do read differently. Moved and disappeared are not the same.Could the two verses below be related in any way, if viewed by an unbiased witness?
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Both. The sun will flash intensely brightly; like seven days brightness in one, then the ejected mass will obscure the sun from us, causing darkness for 24 hours, as the mass approaches.
Zechariah 14:9
And the LORD SHALL BE KING OVER ALL THE EARTH: IN THAT DAY shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Do you agree that Jesus WILL REIGN PHYSICALLY OVER ALL THE EARTH IN THAT DAY---->WHICH IS THE DAY OF HIS COMING AT THE BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON ...The Day when His feet will touch the Mount Of Olives who will be split in two?Zec 14:6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
Zec 14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
Zec 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Its to your discredit that you fail to find out the facts of a Coronal Mass Ejection.Can you explain how Hydrogen and Helium Gas are going to turn from colorless gases into opaque gases?
I have produced Hydrogen Gas from water in my science class on many occasions by using electrolysis of water. The gas was transparent.
Release Helium Gas from a balloon and look at it. It is invisible.
Once again, what you are claiming does not match the laws of physics or the Word of God.
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Its to your discredit that you fail to find out the facts of a Coronal Mass Ejection.
The ejecta, multi billion tons of it; will consist of superheated Hydrogen plasma, that will obscure the sun from the earth as it approaches, travelling at 3-5 million mph. This and the initial Electro Magnetic Pulse flash, will literally fulfil all the well described prophesies about the great and terrible Day of the Lord's wrath. The Sixth Seal event, Revelation 6:12-17 and over 100 other prophesies tell us all about it.
About 10-15 years will pass from that Day until Jesus Returns, in order for all that in prophesied in that time to happen.
Do you agree that Jesus WILL REIGN PHYSICALLY OVER ALL THE EARTH IN THAT DAY---->WHICH IS THE DAY OF HIS COMING AT THE BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON ...The Day when His feet will touch the Mount Of Olives who will be split in two?
so...How do we square that with this then?
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
on such the second death hath no power. The 2nd death involves the LOF. Who does the text indicate the 2nd death has no power over? These---he that hath part in the first resurrection----or these----the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished? It can't be both, can it? If it is the former rather than the latter, how can the former not be a bodily resurrection? And if it is a bodily resurrection, how can we then already be in the millennium? I don't know about anyone else, but I don't see any bodily resurrected saints walking around and presently living on the earth among us mortals.
As to your passage you submitted. Why can't it mean this?
Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
That makes them dead at that point, right? But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. Until the thousand years expires first, how can they fulfill Revelation 20:11-15, where it is in that context that they receive their eternal punishment?
So what is your millennium? One day or one thousand years or neither? I say it is neither. Your problems arise when you make the 1000 the kingdom. When it represents the binding of Satan. Satan is loosed when it ends.....
Only a very special select class of persons participates in the first resurrection. Namely Christian martyrs who were beheaded like Saint Paul. As written. Not even the Apostles, who were crucified. Would take part in the first resurrection? Only those like Saint Paul, who were Roman citizens and who therefore. Were beheaded instead of crucified? For their witness to Christianity would partake of the first resurrection.And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life---is meaning the first resurrection. That includes the resurrection of all of the saved since the beginning of time.
and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation---is meaning when the rest of the dead live not again until the thousand years are finished. That includes the resurrection of all of the lost since the beginning of time.
This kills two birds with one stone, so to speak. It debunks both Amil and Pretrib.
Only a very special select class of persons participates in the first resurrection. Namely Christian martyrs who were beheaded like Saint Paul. As written. Not even the Apostles, who were crucified. Would take part in the first resurrection? Only those like Saint Paul, who were Roman citizens and who therefore. Were beheaded instead of crucified? For their witness to Christianity would partake of the first resurrection.
Believing on Christ guarantees Salvation yes of course. And also only a very select group of people participate in the first resurrection, namely them who were beheaded. For witness to Christianity under the beast during the tribulations prior to the Millennium.Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
(This is the first resurrection.)
What would you call it if someone was dead and then they came back to life?
Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
(This is the Second Resurrection, which is of the body.)
It is the first step in the judgment of the dead, whose timing is found in Revelation 11:18.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Why do you conflate a hydrogen mass with an electric current?Where did you get your training in the area of physics?
The Terrible Earthquake of the 7 TH VIAL mentioned in Revelation 16:17-19 will happen few moment BEFORE the Battle of Armageddon ...When His sinless heel described in Genesis 3:15 touches the Mount of Olives it will begin an earthquake starting a chain reaction destroying this whole planet.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev_16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
All those in flesh bodies will be killed, unless they are transformed, as found below.
Is God king over the earth? Is Jesus God? Where does God rule from, if not heaven where Jesus is? Seated on David's Throne at the Father's right hand in heavenly Jerusalem above? How would he ever rule here after saying his kingdom is not of this world?You are totally wrong.
The Biblical proof showing how wrong you are is:
Zechariah 14:9
And the LORD SHALL BE KING OVER ALL THE EARTH: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
By the way, when Jesus' sinless feet will touch the Mount of Olives the text say that The Mount of Olives will be split in two [Zechariah 14:1-4]....no mention of a supposed chain reaction ''destroying this whole planet apart'' that came out of your imagination...Stick with what is written in the Biblical text...never try to add something to the text which is not there.
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