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Why don't you just answer the questions that I asked about, then I will answer yours.......Why don't you just say what it is that you are leading to.....
So what is your view of the hour and half hour?
And is the "rapture" showing in Revelation?..........
Revelation 8:1
When He opened the seventh seal,
and became a hush/silence/sigh<4602> in the Heaven for about half an hour.
Revelation 18:19
“They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing, and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great City, in which all who had ships on the sea became rich by Her wealth!
For in one hour She is made desolate<2049>.'
Have you looked in an encyclopedia?Why don't you just answer the questions that I asked about, then I will answer yours.......
I can play this merry go round all day long with you...... I will respond once you answer my questions.....
Still no answer to my questions.....Have you looked in an encyclopedia?
Have you done any research ? I know the Games people play , and manipulations - so until you are willing to be straight up and to the point of why you ask the questions - you have the answer , you can play the merry go round games by yourself
I gave my answer - if you don't like it .....be forthcoming and stop playing gamesStill no answer to my questions.....
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Ah yes, here was your answer to the hour/half hour question.I gave my answer - if you don't like it .....be forthcoming and stop playing games
In regards to the half and hour of silence in heaven , it could well mean that John seen it has 30 minutes in human time , or it could mean something else , but either way it would not be a wise thing to impart a personal interpretation just because it fits a preference to how a person desires to have other scriptures mean
Is there scripture that says that it cannot be that ?
We are living in a time where people prefer to believe that whatever they find preferable is TRUTH without any need to verify the validity of it , where people will say that TRUTH is subjective , that there is no absolute truth where the Truth is True for all, but rather each person can have their own version of truth as they see fit to be truth , saying their truth is not the same as your truth and they can have truth , you can have truth and everyone can hold whatever they believe to be truth considered to be truth - that way everyone can have truth as long as they believe it is true - but this very notion invalidates Truth in it's very definition .. People fall away from sound doctrine regardless of the topic in favor of believing what they prefer to be true , doctrine not having to be required to be biblical doctrine ,
In short it is that; people prefer to believe what they prefer to be true without the use of validating with provable truths to support what IS true -
where people look for words to express what they prefer to be true , to be considered truth without having a universal truth that all must agree to to be true -
Example is where Peter says
8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
Peter says plainly that one day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day- Peter is making a contextual statement but amil believers hate any reference to a specific 1000 year time period simply because to accept it as written will overwhelmingly defeat the whole idea of amil which is precisely why they are so diametrically opposed to it .
If Peter was referring to simply a 'long time' then why write it in a manner that could easily be misunderstood ?
Simple plain sense would be just write it as a long time -
When people want to say it is just a long time , and then say the John simply meant a long time when He said satan will be imprisoned for 1000 years - There is no correlation at all whatsoever that suggests that John just meant a long time as John was seeing what JESUS was showing him and Jesus told John to write down what John was seeing and hearing - so it was not just some off the cuff language to be 'interpreted' according to ones own preference
Consider when you write a letter to people , and you say you are going on vacation for one week and then they tell people you would be gone for seven years; if you had not told them to interpret your letter to mean 7 years ?
In regards to the half and hour of silence in heaven , it could well mean that John seen it has 30 minutes in human time , or it could mean something else , but either way it would not be a wise thing to impart a personal interpretation just because it fits a preference to how a person desires to have other scriptures mean
There is no time like the present time , get to work on that so you can then say you have studied on thatFor myself, I haven't really studied on that "half hour."..........
I will create a thread on it when I have time and have studied on it......how's that work for ya?There is no time like the present time , get to work on that so you can then say you have studied on that
A certitude ….as final achievement...Like saying that the SAINTS will inherit the Kingdom
Daniel 7:18-21
18 But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
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21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; 22 until the ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the Most High, and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
Whom Jesus said is ACTUALLY the prince of this world
John 14:30
Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
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2.) During this time that satan is bound, the first resurrection occurs. Those who partake in the 1st resurrection, reign with Christ as priests of God. Notice the verb tenses; John saw those who HAD been beheadED, who HAD not worshipED the beast, not receivED it mark, but LivED and reignED with Christ. In other words, John was seeing the souls of those HAD lived and reigned with Christ. Then notice the promise for anyone who does partake in the 1st resurrection: they will (future tense) be priests of God:
Revelation 20:4-6 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Anyone who has been born again has partaken of the 1st resurrection (dead to sin, made alive with Christ), and the 2nd death has no power.
Ephesians 4-5 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved
Already at the time of Peter, the body of Christ was a royal priesthood for God:
1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light
Satan is the prince of this World since Adam and Eve fall.The horn is the prince of this world?
Where does Scripture associate the two?
Or am I misunderstanding you?
Satan is the prince of this World since Adam and Eve fall.
As for the little horn ---->Daniel 7 refers to the 42 months reign of the Beast of Revelation 13 ---->The Beast who shall ascend out of the Bottomless pit that the whole Earth shall wonder Revelation 17:8
Rather a direct association ---Satan will give him his power and authority.The little horn of Daniel 7 most closely corresponds to the beast of Revelation 13, who is an agent of the dragon, Satan.
I'd agree that there is an indirect association of the horn to Satan.
Jesus told His disciples the ruler of the world was coming in John 14:30Satan is the prince of this World since Adam and Eve fall.
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Rather a direct association ---Satan will give him his power and authority.
Revelation 13:4
4 and they worshipped the dragon, because he gave his authority unto the beast; and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? And who is able to war with him?
That is right that the little horn is not the dragon ...bit that is the dragon Satan who give him power and authority.
The problem with turning the 1000 years into an exact measure of time, instead of seeing it as a symbol of a complete, predetermined measure of time, is that people know what only the Father knows. The time of the end. And the pre-tribbers say the end happens 1007 years from the rapture.I think there could be validity to the recapitulation view. I don't totally discount it. I don't know if it proves the thousand years can't be meaning post the 2nd coming though. IMO I presented ample evidence in recent posts proving the time meant for the thousand years have to be post the 2nd coming. If someone wants to go through those posts and show why I'm incorrect to conclude what I did, I'm all for that. If in my mind I think I'm arriving at the correct conclusions based on what the texts in question add up to, why should I think otherwise if no one is able to show me via what I submitted, why and how the conclusions I arrived at are incorrect?
Keep in mind, scripture mentions only two worlds. This present evil world. And the world to come. A physical Millennium does not fit in this present evil world because Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world. It doesn't fit in the world to come either. The kingdom is forever, not just 1000 years. And in the world to come everything is perfect without the sin and death the physical millenium has.The Return of Jesus will be the last day of this present World SYSTEM dominated by Satan since the fall of Adam and Eve.
Proved by the fact that Satan will not be able to deceive the Nations again during 1,000 years...
Revelation 20:1-2
1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, the old serpent, which is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, 3 and cast him into the abyss, and shut [it], and sealed [it] over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years should be finished: after this he must be loosed for a little time.
The problem with turning the 1000 years into an exact measure of time, instead of seeing it as a symbol of a complete, predetermined measure of time, is that people know what only the Father knows. The time of the end. And the pre-tribbers say the end happens 1007 years from the rapture.
Here's how I view the symbols of Rev. 20:
The angel = Greek for messenger
the chain = the message (gospel) Satan is a liar and the gospel sent to all nations keeps him from deceiving them.
the 1000 years = A complete and perfect allotment of time. The New Covenant era until the last of the elect (names written in the book of life) come in from among the nations.
Satan loosed = the Post Christian era (we now live in) the gospel message falls on deaf ears, the nations deceived and the world assails the Church from all quarters ushering in the end.
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