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Christ sir. I am sure you knew that. And I am sure that you knew that all men must come by way of The Door unto the kingdom of God. And that no man can enter any other way But the DOORWhat refuge?
Well thanks, I'm not sure if the Great Tribulation is a thing of beauty though. I guess it's bitter/sweet. Jesus is coming and that's wonderful, He's coming for us but then for judgment on everyone else. Afterwards, peace for 1000 years, without sin and evil - that's beautiful.Thank you that makes beautiful sense
The last judgment trumpet of the set of 7 closes the tribulation period
Is. 11 says nothing about a trumpet.However, it is not the last, there will be one just following the days of the tribulation [Isaiah 11; 27:12-13; Matthew 24:29-31] .... this one is for the gathering of the believing mortal survivors of Israel and these will populate [reproduce in] the Lord's millennial kingdom upon the earth
This speaks of judgment, separating us from the unbelievers .... and_so?Then the Lord will gather the mortal survivors of the Gentile nations and those found believing [the sheep] will enter the same, those found in unbelief [the goats] will not [Matthew 25:31-46]
Not before but in the middle. 1 Cor. 15:52 and 1 Thes. 4:16 is the last and the last is the 7th. Pre-tribbers must distort the identity of this trumpet, otherwise their view falls apart. If they said it was #7, then it would be clear that we must endure the first six trumpets. But no, they think we are not going to suffer anything. Christians are suffering all over the world in Muslim countries right now. We are fortunate _ so far_ to be somewhat safe ... but not for long. Post-tribbers distort this too, because they would have to concede that if we are taken out at the 7th trumpet, the bowls are still left, therefore it's not over yet.There is another last trumpet call for the Lord's true ecclesia just before the tribulation begins
[1 Corinthians 15:51-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Revelation 18:4]
The first trumpet and message to His "church" is found here [Revelation 1:10]
The Lord's voice sounds like a trumpet, like the voice of an archangel
No matter which way it is labelled,No, the 7th trumpet is when the rapture occurs. We are taken "out of" the tribulation but it's not over, the 7 bowls of God's wrath are released and so there is more time. This argues against both pre-trib and post-trib. As you can gather, I'm neither. I'm a Mid-Trib/Pre-Wrath whichever you want to label it.
I know it isn't a thing of beauty but there has been too many voices here and with it much confusionWell thanks, I'm not sure if the Great Tribulation is a thing of beauty though. I guess it's bitter/sweet. Jesus is coming and that's wonderful, He's coming for us but then for judgment on everyone else. Afterwards, peace for 1000 years, without sin and evil - that's beautiful.
I'm already in"Christ sir. I am sure you knew that. And I am sure that you knew that all men must come by way of The Door unto the kingdom of God. And that no man can enter any other way But the DOOR"
Which side of the door are you on?
In other words, do you think will you be on the "rapture" side with oil.... or the tribulation side with no oil? [Matthew 25:1-13; Revelation 3:10; 3:15-19]
Margaret McDonald wrote that in her vision she saw that -the wise virgins- will not be there during the tribulation while the rest of the Church will be on the Earth."Even Margaret McDonald said her dream did NOT feel God-sent, and felt demonic. But, the church ran with it anyway."
It was not for sure .... and even then her tutored vision has the "church" going through the tribulation .... have you ever read it? .... it is on the Internet
And yet the those who use it claim just the opposite and that Darby used it to teach a pre-tribulation calling .... which they call a "lie" of the devil
.... something is wrong with this picture
Think about it
Right, because there are a half dozen views about this time period along with Amillennial views as well.I know it isn't a thing of beauty but there has been too many voices here and with it much confusion
Scriptures please?
This trumpet is a gathering trumpet specifically for Israel .... after the days of the tribulation .... it is not the 7th judgment trumpet
No .... the "church" will have already been made immortal .... the gathering and separating of the mortal survivors of the tribulation will come after the days of the tribulation .... these will be mortals .... no resurrections to immortality will occur .... those found believing will enter and populate [reproduce] in the Lord's millennial kingdom after the tribulation .... immortals do not reproduce
And I have to tell you that Marvin Rosenthal's mid tribulation teaching is false for many reasons
http://bible-truth.org/Pre-Wrath.html
Other than that .... keep on studying and study thyself approved .... this is possible
"Margaret McDonald wrote that in her vision she saw that -the wise virgins- will not be there during the tribulation while the rest of the Church will be on the Earth"
No .... her vision has the "church" including herself going through the tribulation
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