Error of Christanity...

PaulCyp1 · Aug 10, 2019

Well, the problem here is that every one of the thousands of Protestant denominations claims to be following the Bible, and claims to be born again. Yet the teaching of each denomination contradicts the teaching of the others, which is why they are separate denominations. Truth cannot contradict truth, so obviously a tremendous amount of untruth is being taught in this unauthorized manmade tradition. Jesus Christ didn't want all this confusion to exist. His plainly stated will concerning His followers was and still is "That they all may be ONE, even as I and my heavenly Father are ONE". Truth can exist only in unity, which is why He founded just ONE Church, said it was to remain ONE, and promised that ONE Church "The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth", and "Whatsoever you bind upon Earth is bound in Heaven", and "He who hears you hears Me". Which is why that ONE Church remains ONE in belief, ONE in teaching, ONE in worship, ONE in biblical understanding throughout the world after 2,000 years. You just can't beat God's plan.

redleghunter · Aug 10, 2019

PaulCyp1 said:
Well, the problem here is that every one of the thousands of Protestant denominations claims to be following the Bible, and claims to be born again. Yet the teaching of each denomination contradicts the teaching of the others, which is why they are separate denominations. Truth cannot contradict truth, so obviously a tremendous amount of untruth is being taught in this unauthorized manmade tradition. Jesus Christ didn't want all this confusion to exist. His plainly stated will concerning His followers was and still is "That they all may be ONE, even as I and my heavenly Father are ONE". Truth can exist only in unity, which is why He founded just ONE Church, said it was to remain ONE, and promised that ONE Church "The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth", and "Whatsoever you bind upon Earth is bound in Heaven", and "He who hears you hears Me". Which is why that ONE Church remains ONE in belief, ONE in teaching, ONE in worship, ONE in biblical understanding throughout the world after 2,000 years. You just can't beat God's plan.

Ah the Vatican has spoken.

redleghunter · Aug 10, 2019

PaulCyp1 said:
Well, the problem here is that every one of the thousands of Protestant denominations claims to be following the Bible, and claims to be born again. Yet the teaching of each denomination contradicts the teaching of the others, which is why they are separate denominations. Truth cannot contradict truth, so obviously a tremendous amount of untruth is being taught in this unauthorized manmade tradition. Jesus Christ didn't want all this confusion to exist. His plainly stated will concerning His followers was and still is "That they all may be ONE, even as I and my heavenly Father are ONE". Truth can exist only in unity, which is why He founded just ONE Church, said it was to remain ONE, and promised that ONE Church "The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth", and "Whatsoever you bind upon Earth is bound in Heaven", and "He who hears you hears Me". Which is why that ONE Church remains ONE in belief, ONE in teaching, ONE in worship, ONE in biblical understanding throughout the world after 2,000 years. You just can't beat God's plan.

This guy is Roman Catholic

Error of Christanity...

CharismaticLady · Aug 10, 2019

grandvizier1006 said:
I disagree. People aren’t trying to add to Scripture; they’re just interpreting it. That’s how denominations start—disagreements on certain doctrines and practices. What specific Bible passages are you seeing people interpret “incorrectly”?

There is one Author of Scripture, and one meaning. The OP is right. Some errors in the church which caused false doctrines centuries ago, are still taught today. They are doctrines of demons.

CharismaticLady · Aug 10, 2019

thecolorsblend said:
It's almost like there should be some kind of authority which infallibly guides the faithful in their study of Sacred Scripture or something...

There is. The Holy Spirit of Truth. If you are thinking of the pope, you're thinking too low. Think higher.

thecolorsblend · Aug 10, 2019

thecolorsblend said:
It's almost like there should be some kind of authority which infallibly guides the faithful in their study of Sacred Scripture or something...

CharismaticLady said:
There is. The Holy Spirit of Truth. If you are thinking of the pope, you're thinking too low. Think higher.

When somebody else mentioned that, I wrote:

thecolorsblend said:
But He hasn't. It's not hard to find Christians who agree on 99% of doctrine. Why isn't the Holy Spirit guiding them to 100% agreement?

If I didn't know better, I just might think that private interpretation of Sacred Scripture has done far more to divide Christians from each other than it has to unify them. A very strange situation, I must say...

grandvizier1006 · Aug 10, 2019

CharismaticLady said:
There is one Author of Scripture, and one meaning. The OP is right. Some errors in the church which caused false doctrines centuries ago, are still taught today. They are doctrines of demons.

I believe there are believers and genuine Christians in every denomination. God doesn’t care about petty affiliations, specific doctrines or traditions, etc. He wants us to follow Jesus, love our neighbors, and believe in His sacrifice and Resurrection. This inter-denominational bickering, arrogance, and condemnation has got to stop. Christianity has specific tenets all believers must follow, but other than that God has allowed us to develop many broad traditions. If any of us turn out to be in error, misunderstanding something about our faith, or misunderstanding a Bible passage, God can correct us once we meet Him face to face.

CharismaticLady · Aug 10, 2019

thecolorsblend said:
But He hasn't. It's not hard to find Christians who agree on 99% of doctrine. Why isn't the Holy Spirit guiding them to 100% agreement?

If I didn't know better, I just might think that private interpretation of Sacred Scripture has done far more to divide Christians from each other than it has to unify them. A very strange situation, I must say...

Not everyone is filled with the Spirit and can hear Him speak. Others study their denomination, not the Bible.

Maria Billingsley · Aug 10, 2019

Jen35 said:
I mean I see a lot of scriptures interpeted here and most of what I read seems confusing and what makes me more puzzled is that those who intepret scriptures act like they really believe that and that it really means what they are believing. I think that's a big error and I think it's dangerous to believe something when it's not actually true. Because that's us decieving ourselves and everyone who reads those things I mean unless God and the holy spirit really reveals something to your heart scriptures shouldn't be guess. Because that's like adding to God's word and taking away from it and the Bible says we are not to do that...

Can you share a specific example for truth vs error?

CharismaticLady · Aug 10, 2019

grandvizier1006 said:
I believe there are believers and genuine Christians in every denomination. God doesn’t care about petty affiliations, specific doctrines or traditions, etc. He wants us to follow Jesus, love our neighbors, and believe in His sacrifice and Resurrection. This inter-denominational bickering, arrogance, and condemnation has got to stop. Christianity has specific tenets all believers must follow, but other than that God has allowed us to develop many broad traditions. If any of us turn out to be in error, misunderstanding something about our faith, or misunderstanding a Bible passage, God can correct us once we meet Him face to face.

What I see to be the biggest heresy in the Church today, is on what Jesus accomplished by His death regarding sin.

Jen35 · Aug 10, 2019

Ken Rank said:
We have the Spirit to guide us, comfort us, and teach us. But we have not been perfected yet. We can see things somewhat differently and still walk together in harmony. Just read the gospels, especially Mathew, Mark and Luke. Basically the same story but told in three very distinct styles. Why? Because being given an earnest of the Spirit (2 Cor 1:22 and 5:5) does not mean we have become identical and certainly not infallible. We still await the day we will be changed, perfected... and until then, by definition, we are imperfect.

I understand but when does one become perfected? Isnt the day and hour close? Is salvation nearer and crouching at the door. Remember what Jesus taught about the ten virgins and how some of them had oil and the others did and how they fought the others for oil cause they didn't have any oil and wasn't prepared like the others. I guess that what the bible means about being busybodies and stuff..instead of being worried about others we should start worrying about ourselves and working on our own salvation. It's one thing to get advice and wisdom to learn from others but it's also another thing to be decieved and fall into a trap. You say we are perfected yet but when does this perfecting happens? Shouldn't it be happening now ..because I know the Lord Jesus won't be able to raise any one of us up without a purified and born again soul...you need to explain that cause what if Jesus appears tonight or tomorrow and we are not perfected yet? Or am I misunderstanding something..are we not suppose to preparing ourselves and keeping our lamps oiled and stuff? And I dont mean a physical lamp with physical oil, I mean oil in our lamps as in to keep watch at these things and making ourselves ready by still having oil in our lamps when he returns...

Jen35 · Aug 10, 2019

redleghunter said:
Is this thread still about the prophecy threads?

Yeah all kinds of crazy out there.

Or maybe just spies trying to deriotate and brainwash people's minds..lol

thecolorsblend · Aug 10, 2019

CharismaticLady said:
Not everyone is filled with the Spirit and can hear Him speak.

But the type of person you describe here is still a Christian, yes? Don't all Christians receive the Holy Spirit?

CharismaticLady said:
Others study their denomination, not the Bible.

Why should that matter though? Surely the Holy Spirit can lead people into all truth no matter how narrow, myopic or shallow their studies might be.

So why isn't He?

RDKirk · Aug 10, 2019

Jen35 said:
Yes christianforums.com jk lol..no seriously I'm sure if you look around here you can see what I mean especially in the end times forum. You know people come here and read that stuff and next thing you know that person is probably scratching on walls in the pysch ward because stuff like that causes deception and fear in people...and among other things probably...what happen when you find out in the end what you interpreted was incorrect, see what I mean? We decieve ourselves and everyone who grow in belief of those things..if I know I can't understand a scripture i will leave it alone or ask Jesus or God or something..

Do you have an example of that?

CharismaticLady · Aug 10, 2019

thecolorsblend said:
But the type of person you describe here is still a Christian, yes? Don't all Christians receive the Holy Spirit?

Some have head knowledge of Jesus, but even the demons believe and tremble. So, no, not everyone claiming to be a Christian, is one. But, yes, you must be born again of the Spirit to belong to Christ.

thecolorsblend said:
Why should that matter though? Surely the Holy Spirit can lead people into all truth no matter how narrow, myopic or shallow their studies might be.

How would you know if they are teaching truth unless you are comparing what they teach against the true foundation of the Word of God?

thecolorsblend said:
So why isn't He?

Some don't ask Him.

James 1:
5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. 6 But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. 7 For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; 8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.

RDKirk · Aug 10, 2019

Michael Collum said:
In Acts chapter 1 it is indicated that we were given the Holy Spirit to preach the gospel to the ends of the earth, in the same passage it is indicated that the times that the Father set in His power are not for us. So the Holy Spirit cannot assist or rather, will not assist with figuring out how it all ends.

Anything end times related is a result of confusion.

Knowing that there will be "end times" is important, just as it's important for a football team to know that the game they're playing will come to and end at some point.

But Jesus gave us two parables that reference views on the foolishness of anticipating--forming our activities around when we think end times might come.

One parable was about foolish virgins who expected the end time to come quickly, so they were unprepared for the long haul. The other parable was about a foolish steward who expected the end time to come late, so he was caught not doing his job when the end time came earlier than he anticipated.

The moral of the parables is the same: Just do what the Lord has called you to do every day, so that whenever He arrives (or you die first--which is more likely) you will be caught doing what you're supposed to be doing.

thecolorsblend · Aug 10, 2019

CharismaticLady said:
Some have head knowledge of Jesus, but even the demons believe and tremble. So, no, not everyone claiming to be a Christian, is one. But, yes, you must be born again of the Spirit to belong to Christ.

But presumably, somebody who studies their faith with any significant degree of depth should be assumed to have pure intentions even if their eventual doctrinal convictions are erroneous.

The Holy Spirit has been said in this thread to lead the faithful into all truth. I assume this applies even to those who are sincerely mistaken. So why is the Holy Spirit seemingly either unwilling or unable to lead those of presumably good faith into all truth?

Why is merely studying Sacred Scripture not enough to produce 100% doctrinal unity among all the faithful worldwide?

CharismaticLady said:
How would you know if they are teaching truth unless you are comparing what they teach against the true foundation of the Word of God?

Oh boy...

CharismaticLady said:
Some don't ask Him.

Quite so. And, in fact, many do. Still, their errors remain. I imagine these are errors made in good faith. But they remain errors nevertheless.

Why aren't these errors being corrected in spite of the good faith and pure will of those who are in error?

Jen35 · Aug 11, 2019

CharismaticLady said:
Some have head knowledge of Jesus, but even the demons believe and tremble. So, no, not everyone claiming to be a Christian, is one. But, yes, you must be born again of the Spirit to belong to Christ.

How would you know if they are teaching truth unless you are comparing what they teach against the true foundation of the Word of God?

Some don't ask Him.

James 1:
5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. 6 But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. 7 For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; 8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.

If anything is received from our Lord and from the holy spirit you will know it when it comes to pass on when you see it comes to pass or line up with God's words...and if the holy spirit dwell in us, we have his words and truth in us already so you will be famaliar with it and what others are teaching..if something doesn't sound right and never comes to pass, then obviously it wasn't from God, remember the Lord says he would give his people a new heart and he would his law and stuff which I think he means is his words when we receive the new birth and spirit given to us by our Lord when we become born again.. our mind and heart don't just open suddenly by reading over the bible ..it starts when being bathe anew and being regenerated into a new birth. But we won't learn everything over night. We mature and grow in the spirit... remember Jesus said he has a lot to say but won't reveal everything at once to keep to be able to bear and not have such a load on our shoulders..

Jen35 · Aug 11, 2019

RDKirk said:
Do you have an example of that?

Example of what though?

Jen35 · Aug 11, 2019

grandvizier1006 said:
I believe there are believers and genuine Christians in every denomination. God doesn’t care about petty affiliations, specific doctrines or traditions, etc. He wants us to follow Jesus, love our neighbors, and believe in His sacrifice and Resurrection. This inter-denominational bickering, arrogance, and condemnation has got to stop. Christianity has specific tenets all believers must follow, but other than that God has allowed us to develop many broad traditions. If any of us turn out to be in error, misunderstanding something about our faith, or misunderstanding a Bible passage, God can correct us once we meet Him face to face.

Well I guess you have a point there..but I don't think we need to see Gods face to face for him to discipline us and I don't understand why God would show himself in all his soveriegn to someone who needs to be corrected for him having to be corrected in the first place to return back to God anf remember when the people in isreal were disobiedent and rebelled against, how he hid his face from them and abandon them for a little while until they returned to him.. but God never abandons his people fully, if he goes away it's to discipline us and put us on the right path again and teach us a lesson. And God may anger but his anger is only but for moment and his favor a lifetime and while pain and trouble' last and come through the night, joy will still eventually come in the morning..and usually those he loves his the one he corrects but we don't need to see Gods face to face for that...if God is correcting us face to face, then that sounds scary because it like standing on the last day in judgement or something..lol that would scare me knowing an almighty and powerful God moved from the East side of the clouds to appear to me face to face to correct me..I mean the only time I remember something like that happening was with Paul and Jesus. I am not even sure God appeared to phoarah who indeed needed correction himself, I just remember him sending Moses and Moses being the one having ever saw..and even moses didn't see him literally only in certain angles and in different forms like jacob who he wrestled with Jacob having to find out later it was God..and why would You even do that when he sent his son Jesus and gave him authority over everything in the heavens and Earth below? And the Bible says no man come to Jesus unless drawth to him by God meaning the only way to God is through Jesus ..that honestly sounds really scary to me...

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