Ernie Knoll not a prophet?

[Man-ofGod]

Is it possible our brother Ernie Knoll is being deceived?

Interesting article from Steve Wohlberg regarding this. What you guys think?

http://www.notaprophet.org/articles/ernie_knolls_dreams.html


Regardless of the spirit talking to Ernie Knoll, this is still a sign that the end is getting very close. Satin is working harder then ever to deceive the elect. Add to that all the things going on with in the SDA community. It is close indeed.

 

[woobadooba]

Is it possible our brother Ernie Knoll is being deceived?

Interesting article from Steve Wohlberg regarding this. What you guys think?

http://www.notaprophet.org/articles/ernie_knolls_dreams.html


Regardless of the spirit talking to Ernie Knoll, this is still a sign that the end is getting very close. Satin is working harder then ever to deceive the elect. Add to that all the things going on with in the SDA community. It is close indeed.

Whether Ernie is mistaken or not, Steve seems to be reading meaning into the Bible that isn't there.

He said:

The tithe issue is a life and death matter. Those who "meddle" with it will be "punished" with the "loss of their heavenly treasure." The tithe is not to be diverted into other channels, or paid in a "haphazard way," for this would hinder God's work.

What Steve appears to be addressing here, among other things, is the supposed offense of people who don't pay a full tithe to the GC, but give all or part of it to 'other channels' instead, such as to help poor and needy workers of God whom the GC is likely not supporting. In other words, it appears that he is suggesting that even though the tithe is given to people such as these rather than to the GC, that those who are doing this with the tithe are not only hindering the work of God; they are essentially robbing Him too, and will therefore lose their salvation if they don't repent and start giving the full tithe to the GC instead.

Questions:

a. where in the Bible does it say that it is a sin to give the tithe to poor and needy workers of God who are not employed by the GC?
b. How does Steve verify his point that by giving the tithe to 'other channels' that the work of God is being hindered, especially if those channels are edifying and building up God's Church?


What we are Really Looking at Here

I think it is fair to say that because Steve is taking such a strong stand on this issue that that likely means he is trying to live by the letter of the law on the matter concerning the tithe. Thus he likely believes that 10% must be paid on our gross income too, lest we rob God and lose our salvation for giving less than that.

After all, if 10% isn't paid on the gross of our income, then that means a portion of it is going to some 'other channel', which would likewise mean that no matter what that channel is--no matter how noble or good or necessary--that person is robbing God and will therefore lose their salvation if they don't repent and start giving it all to the GC instead.

Questions:

a. where in the NT does it say that paying tithe in this way is a matter of life and death?
b. Where in the NT does it say that people will lose their salvation in Christ if they don't pay 10% on their gross income to the GC or even 10% to any source for that matter?

Note: I am not saying that we shouldn't pay a tithe. What I am saying is that it is not for us to assume the role of God as Judge and say that people aren't going to go to heaven because they aren't giving a 10% tithe on their gross income to the GC.

We have no right to judge others in this way, especially when there is nothing in Scripture that says a person would lose their salvation for not paying a full 10% on the gross of their income to the GC.

The Bible makes it very clear that God only requires that we give according to what we are able:

So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver. (2 Corinthians 9:7 NKJV)

God obviously looks at the motive behind giving, not the amount. In other words, we aren't judged by how much we give; rather, we are judged by how we give!

There is something terribly wrong with the picture that Steve appears to be painting of God!

Steve may have good reason to be concerned about Ernie; but I think he should also be concerned about what he appears to be suggesting on the matter concerning the tithe. For it appears that he is fostering a righteousness-by-works-based-faith which says that salvation can be purchased or forfeited by either paying or not paying a tithe of 10% on our gross income to the GC.

And if this is what Steve is saying, then it would be wise for him to take heed to Paul's words:

But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8-9 NKJV)

 

[BobRyan]

Whether Ernie is mistaken or not, Steve seems to be reading meaning into the Bible that isn't there.

I have to admit - the problems with both Steve's document and with Eugen Prewitt's summary are myriad.

But Prewitt had a couple of valid arguments.

1. He admits that our average church members are totally unprepared to make a good evaluation of this topic using the BIBLE "test of a prophet" methods.

2. He argues that we should all first read about 11 chapters from 2Selected Messages and notice all the "details" before jumping to a conclusion. (A very good exercise as it turns out).

If you do that - you find that Ellen White predicted that many in SDA leadership would totally reject the coming manifestations of the Spirit as being "unbalanced".

You also find examples of false claims to prophecy given by Anna Philips Rice - and Anna Garamond (sp?) to be on the order of "who is supposed to do the dishes tomorrow morning" in a certain family -- a far cry from what we find at 4HisPeople.Com

And Prewitt also provides this one last tidbit of valuable information - he appears to say that all the fault-finding arguments against Ernie are of little significance in terms of the true Bible test of a prophet - and that the issue of Tithe is really the only thing that has substance to it.

An issue where Ernie appears to take the same position as Ellen White in the Spalding and Magan letters.

Spalding and Magan letters -- Ellen White
And if any person shall say to me, Sister White, will you appropriate my tithe where you know it is most needed, I shall say, Yes, I will; and I have done so. I commend those sisters who have placed their tithe where it is most needed to help to do a work that is being left undone

It is "instructive" that neither Prewitt nor Wholberge deal with this balancing information in their own arguments. And neither of them present the Matt 12:30-32 "danger" of accusing a ministry of the Holy Spirit to be 'of satan" -- the way so many of those who read their summaries of Ernie have done. The result is that in some cases - those who reject Ernie's ministry use the "of satan" accusation AS IF this is the "safe no risk" course of action where they really don't need to dig too much to be sure it is Biblically supportable.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Here is a page from 2SM on this topic - that is interesting.

An Outward Transformation of Character

As long as individuals are content with a theory of truth, and are yet lacking in the daily operation of the Spirit of God upon the heart, which is manifested in outward transformation of character, they are cutting themselves
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off from the qualification that would fit them for greater efficiency in the Master's work. Those who are devoid of the Holy Spirit cannot be faithful watchmen upon the walls of Zion; for they are blind to the work that ought to be done, and do not give the trumpet a certain sound. {2SM 56.2}

The baptism of the Holy Ghost as on the day of Pentecost will lead to a revival of true religion and to the performance of many wonderful works. Heavenly intelligences will come among us, and men will speak as they are moved upon by the Holy Spirit of God. But should the Lord work upon men as He did on and after the day of Pentecost, many who now claim to believe the truth would know so very little of the operation of the Holy Spirit that they would cry, "Beware of fanaticism." They would say of those who were filled with the Spirit, "These men are full of new wine." {2SM 57.1}

The time is not far off now when men will want a much closer relation to Christ, a much closer union with His Holy Spirit, than ever they have had, or will have, unless they give up their will and their way, and submit to God's will and God's way. The great sin of those who profess to be Christians is that they do not open the heart to receive the Holy Spirit. When souls long after Christ, and seek to become one with Him, then those who are content with the form of godliness, exclaim "Be careful, do not go to extremes." When the angels of heaven come among us, and work through human agents, there will be solid, substantial conversions, after the order of the conversions after the day of Pentecost. {2SM 57.2}

Now brethren, be careful and do not go into or try to create human excitement. But while we should be careful not to go into human excitement, we should not be among those who will raise inquiries and cherish doubts in reference to the work of the Spirit of God; for there will be those who will question and criticize when the Spirit of God takes possession of men and women, because their own hearts are not moved, but are cold and unimpressible. --Letter 27, 1894.
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{2SM 57.3}

Bottom line -- we have been warned of what to expect.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Another problem with the shoot-from-the-hip reaction some have taken in their rejection of the 4HisPeople ministry with an "all of the devil" kind of summary accusation is that not only do they have to throw Ernie Knoll under the bus - they also have to throw anyone who is given a divine witness to Ernie's ministry under the bus as well as being "of the devil" --

For example -- the case of Candice being directed away from a life of sin and rebellion and toward salvation by an Angel -- must now be "of the devil" according to some of those rejection responses we see at times, which is yet another reason for thinking before leaping off that reject-4HisPeople cliff.


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FROM CANDACE – November 2007

[Note: This is an edited version of an amazing testimony from a former prostitute who is now a follower of Jesus Christ.]

Greetings to Everyone:
On June 20 I was working in the evening. I was a prostitute. I had been working the streets since I was 16. The reason I started at that age is not as important as where I am now. I was a heavy drug user. Mostly crack. I drank a lot. I still am battling with cigarettes. This is the really hard part that I have shared with many of my friends who are no longer my friends but some have accepted what I have shared with them to be truth. I do not share this for you to look at me but to look at Jesus, as He is the one who forgave me in the life I was walking and now walk in a new way.

I was on my corner when a man in a convertible said he would like to speak with me. I said, “Sure.” I climbed in and we began driving. He looked over at me and called me Candace. I was shocked and thought the worst. He then said, “Do not be afraid.” He began to explain to me that he had been sent to give me a message and that message was from Jesus Christ. He told me that Jesus is coming and that He wants me to get ready to go to heaven. I was very scared and told the man that I did not want to die. The man said, “Do not be afraid because no harm will come to you.”

The man pulled into a shopping center parking lot and stopped. He told me that there is a man that is receiving messages from Jesus and that this very night Jesus would show him the importance of the cross that He died on. This man told me the man’s name is Ernie Knoll, that he has been receiving dreams from Jesus and that the dreams can be read on a web site www.4hispeople.com/dreams.html . He told me the web site and I wrote it down. Then the man told me to find a TV show called “It Is Written” with Shawn Boonstra and another TV show called “Amazing Facts” with Doug Batchelor and that these men will teach me what I need to know. I wrote down these TV shows and their names. Then the man said that these three men have been selected by Jesus to do an important work together for Him, that I was to change the way I live and that Jesus is coming to take me to heaven. The man said to keep watching for Jesus, that there is much to learn and this is a good place to start.

The man then got out of the car and walked around to my door and opened it so I could get out. He pointed toward the buildings and said that there was a meeting going on in there and they would help me with my questions. He said he was to leave but for me to walk in the new way in which I was shown. As I looked at the man, he had the way that he looked change right before me and I fell to my knees and began crying. I watched as I saw this man change into a bright being of light. I watched as he had wings that somehow came out from behind him and he flew up and away.

After a few minutes I got up and noticed there was no car there. I started walking to the place in the shopping center where there was a religious meeting going on. I went in, sat down and tried to listen but I was numb and shaking from what had just happened. After the meeting ended I spoke to several of the people there and they made me feel welcome. They gave me a Bible and a book called The Great Controversy. I was too afraid to tell them what had happened earlier that evening and that they would laugh or think I was a crazy person and have me taken away by the police.

After I visited and asked questions for a while I returned home, took a shower, and spent time looking up and talking to God as if He was up in the ceiling. I shared what had happened and told Him that I was no longer going to live the way I had. I promised Him that I was going to change. I have, except for the cigarette problem, which I am trying to give up.

I went to bed and when I woke up the next morning I kneeled next to my bed. It was the first time in a long while since I kneeled, but I actually talked to God and I felt like He was listening to me. I got up, went over to my computer and went to the ( www4hispeoplecom ) web site that the man, or whatever he was, told me about. I began reading the dreams of a man by the name of Ernie Knoll. I was glued to the computer while reading the messages and was getting wrapped up in them. I would cry and then I would be happy. I would read and reread them because I was afraid I might have missed something. Then a few days later when the dream of the cross was posted (“Stand on the Truth&#8221, I cried while praying. This is the dream that the man was telling me Ernie Knoll would be shown that night. I have learned so much from what I have read on this web site. I read later how I am supposed to go to church on Saturday and that it is the day that Jesus wants us to go on. I continued to read these messages and started watching the It Is Written TV show with Pastor Shawn Boonstra and Pastor Doug Batchelor of Amazing Facts.

Anyway, I just wanted to share here how Ernie Knoll and the messages he has been putting on the web site has greatly affected me. I know without a doubt that these are messages from God sent to read and grow in. It has been several months for me now and I have a new way of life, a full time job and I am drug and alcohol free. I have a full time relationship with Jesus. I know if it had not been for the man or who ever it was, I would never be typing this right now. I have no doubt that Jesus is coming, that He is talking to Ernie and that what he is being shown is what Jesus wants him to share. All I can say is thank you Pastor Knoll for posting these messages. I especially thank Jesus for giving these to Ernie, for loving and forgiving me, for making me what I am now and for hearing and answering every one of my prayers. I want to go and see for myself the things Ernie has seen in the dreams. As Pastor Knoll says, keep watching for that small black cloud!

[Follow-up testimony from Candace - November 21, 2007]

I did want to tell you that the angel has come to me again and told me that Jesus has heard the prayers of many that have read what I shared [in my last testimony] and that many lives would be changed and brought closer to Jesus. He said that there are many others who are still walking in the same way I used to and that they will also be invited to walk in a new way. I said, “Praise Jesus,” to the angel and he said that Jesus has removed my want to smoke anymore. I have had that craving removed and I no longer smoke. It is the most wonderful thing to no longer want to pick up a cigarette and smoke. When the angel came to visit me this last time he said he had a very special present for me, that it will help me to get ready for Jesus to come and that it will teach me how I need to change. He gave me a book called Creeping Compromise and I have been reading it. Actually I have not been able to put it down. I have read it four times now.

You know there is so much more I need to change in the way I was living. All the jewelry, the meat, all my makeup--I tell you, I don’t care. It all went in the garbage. If I am going to be someone Jesus wants me to be then it all had to go in the trash. I mean, I am not going to be wearing it when I go to heaven. The angel told me that soon really bad things will begin to happen and that I am not to be afraid. He said, “Do you remember I told you that no harm will come to you?” He said that Jesus will not allow any harm to come to me, that Jesus has placed special angels to protect me.

I moved from where I used to live to another state as I did not want people to know or recognize me from my old life. I have started a whole new life with a job and found a church where I have been accepted as a new member and was baptized. I should tell you, that was the best day of my life when I was baptized. It was a new day and a new life for me as no one knew about my past and I felt like Jesus said it was no more and that I have a new life.

I did want to share how what Jesus has shown you has changed my life and that there are many, many others out there who believe and are being led by Jesus to hear Him speaking to you. I am not one to give encouragement, but I know it must be hard for you to read some of the stuff folk write about you. But just remember that it is all to the glory of Jesus. I know I want to sit and be in the back where no one will look at me but just look to Jesus. But I know that when I get to heaven I want to have my angel take me to you so I can give you a big hug and tell you thank you for putting what Jesus showed you on the Internet. The angel did say that you will soon be reaching many people as there are important people who will have you speaking and sharing what Jesus has shown you. I hope you don’t mind, but I like telling people that I am sitting on that hill watching for that small black cloud. Thank you again, Pastor Knoll, for the things you have shared.

Watching for that small black cloud, Your new sister, Candace

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[woobadooba]

I have to admit - the problems with both Steve's document and with Eugen Prewitt's summary are myriad.

But Prewitt had a couple of valid arguments.

1. He admits that our average church members are totally unprepared to make a good evaluation of this topic using the BIBLE "test of a prophet" methods.

2. He argues that we should all first read about 11 chapters from 2Selected Messages and notice all the "details" before jumping to a conclusion. (A very good exercise as it turns out).

If you do that - you find that Ellen White predicted that many in SDA leadership would totally reject the coming manifestations of the Spirit as being "unbalanced".

You also find examples of false claims to prophecy given by Anna Philips Rice - and Anna Garamond (sp?) to be on the order of "who is supposed to do the dishes tomorrow morning" in a certain family -- a far cry from what we find at 4HisPeople.Com

And Prewitt also provides this one last tidbit of valuable information - he appears to say that all the fault-finding arguments against Ernie are of little significance in terms of the true Bible test of a prophet - and that the issue of Tithe is really the only thing that has substance to it.

An issue where Ernie appears to take the same position as Ellen White in the Spalding and Magan letters.



It is "instructive" that neither Prewitt nor Wholberge deal with this balancing information in their own arguments. And neither of them present the Matt 12:30-32 "danger" of accusing a ministry of the Holy Spirit to be 'of satan" -- the way so many of those who read their summaries of Ernie have done. The result is that in some cases - those who reject Ernie's ministry use the "of satan" accusation AS IF this is the "safe no risk" course of action where they really don't need to dig too much to be sure it is Biblically supportable.

in Christ,

Bob

The thing that also bothers me about Steve is that it is as though he is trying to dictate how God is supposed to do things.

Some things may seem off-the-wall to us at times; but that is often because we can't see things as clearly as we ought to. Therefore, we need to be careful that we don't make accusations against a brother or a sister unless we know for sure that what we are saying is true. For by doing this we might be making an accusation against the methods of the Holy Spirit. And that is a very dangerous place to be!

 

[RND]

The result is that in some cases - those who reject Ernie's ministry use the "of satan" accusation AS IF this is the "safe no risk" course of action where they really don't need to dig too much to be sure it is Biblically supportable.

That's a 3rd Commandment ticket on the highway of life!

 

[OntheDL]

Hi Woob,

Long time no see. How have you been doing?

I agree with you and Bobryan on this. Most people I spoke to have not fully read and studied Ernie Knoll's dreams. Their rejections are mostly based on other's opinions. The matter was too troublesome, so at the first sign of trouble, they bailed.

Most of the arguments do not concern the biblical test of a prophet. And on the tithe, if Steve had been correctly applying those SOP quotes, EGW would have been a hypocrite, a false prophet because she withheld her own tithe and others and redirected to the southern field, instead of sending to GC.

Woob, however on the tithe issue, Malachi 3 does tell us to give on faith, vs give if able.

 

[woobadooba]

Hi Woob,

Long time no see. How have you been doing?

Better than before (spiritually).

Woob, however on the tithe issue, Malachi 3 does tell us to give on faith, vs give if able.

This is true.

However, giving according to what you are able is giving in faith.

If we gave a full 10% on our gross we would lose our home. If we gave 10% on our Net we would have to use our credit cards to pay for food. We are not doing well right now (financially).

What happened to this:

Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need. So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved. (Acts 2:44-47 NKJV)

 

[BobRyan]

I agree with you and Bobryan on this. Most people I spoke to have not fully read and studied Ernie Knoll's dreams. Their rejections are mostly based on other's opinions. The matter was too troublesome, so at the first sign of trouble, they bailed.

Most of the arguments do not concern the biblical test of a prophet. And on the tithe, if Steve had been correctly applying those SOP quotes, EGW would have been a hypocrite, a false prophet because she withheld her own tithe and others and redirected to the southern field, instead of sending to GC.

I am really impressed that so many on this board are getting this one right even while some at "revivalsermons" and "remanantonline" are totally fumbling the ball! Amazing!

BTW - here is another subject thread in the SDA area on this topic here on this board.
first post -- http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=49553292&postcount=1
all posts -- http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=49553292#post49553292

Have you listened to Pastor Winston Baldwin at the Centerville Church in Ohio speak on this topic? He is great!

I agree - that when those detractors simply "make up new rules" they are unwittingly inventing new ways for non-sdas to test and reject EGW. When I point that out to them they simply close eyes and ears -- as if reason is not welcome on that topic.

As for the fact that in ALL AGES the prophets of God have ALWAYS been surrounded by a swarm of detractors and naysayers-- well the more things change - the more they stay the same!!

I did the SS class this past Sabbath and asked the question "IF someone walked into this church today and said - hey I have had an inspired dream or a vision -- without knowing a thing about what they may say was in that dream or vision -- WHAT are ALL the reasons we would have right off the bat for rejecting their claim?"

And we came up with a very long list! The fact is "rejecting prophets" is the EASY path! Battle Creek engaged in it big time with EGW according to Testimony#13 in Volume 1 of Testimonies.

Amazingly in my class this past Sabbath was the sense of "I want just the Bible" even though "Just the Bible" says "despise not prophetic utterances" 1Thess 5 and "Desire earnestly spiritual gifts but ESPECIALLY that you may prophesy".

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Stryder06]

Some things may seem off-the-wall to us at times; but that is often because we can't see things as clearly as we ought to. Therefore, we need to be careful that we don't make accusations against a brother or a sister unless we know for sure that what we are saying is true. For by doing this we might be making an accusation against the methods of the Holy Spirit. And that is a very dangerous place to be!

This is the key in my opinion. We have a problem, as christians, with remembering that God's ways are not our ways, that His "foolishness" is meant to bring low the wisdom of man. From what I've seen of Ernies dreams, everything points to the truths of the bible, not to mention other sources that point to biblical truths, such as the amazing facts website.

I think that God is simply giving us that final call before probation closes and He retruns. Tell my people I Am Coming!

 

[OntheDL]

Better than before (spiritually).

This is true.

However, giving according to what you are able is giving in faith.

If we gave a full 10% on our gross we would lose our home. If we gave 10% on our Net we would have to use our credit cards to pay for food. We are not doing well right now (financially). And the church isn't doing a thing to help us either.

What happened to this:

Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need. So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved. (Acts 2:44-47 NKJV)

Hi Woob,

Good to see you here and good to know you are doing well. I'm not going to tell you otherwise on the tithe issue. May God bless you materially even as you are obedience to the revelation of His will. 3 John 1:2.

 

[OntheDL]

I am really impressed that so many on this board are getting this one right even while some at "revivalsermons" and "remanantonline" are totally fumbling the ball! Amazing!

BTW - here is another subject thread in the SDA area on this topic here on this board.
first post -- http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=49553292&postcount=1
all posts -- http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=49553292#post49553292

Have you listened to Pastor Winston Baldwin at the Centerville Church in Ohio speak on this topic? He is great!

I agree - that when those detractors simply "make up new rules" they are unwittingly inventing new ways for non-sdas to test and reject EGW. When I point that out to them they simply close eyes and ears -- as if reason is not welcome on that topic.

As for the fact that in ALL AGES the prophets of God have ALWAYS been surrounded by a swarm of detractors and naysayers-- well the more things change - the more they stay the same!!

I did the SS class this past Sabbath and asked the question "IF someone walked into this church today and said - hey I have had an inspired dream or a vision -- without knowing a thing about what they may say was in that dream or vision -- WHAT are ALL the reasons we would have right off the bat for rejecting their claim?"

And we came up with a very long list! The fact is "rejecting prophets" is the EASY path! Battle Creek engaged in it big time with EGW according to Testimony#13 in Volume 1 of Testimonies.

Amazingly in my class this past Sabbath was the sense of "I want just the Bible" even though "Just the Bible" says "despise not prophetic utterances" 1Thess 5 and "Desire earnestly spiritual gifts but ESPECIALLY that you may prophesy".

in Christ,

Bob

This mentality in our church speaks volumes of the success of Satan in counterfeiting the prophetic gift.

We forget throughout the bible the LORD before He would do anything He always sends His prophets to announce it. Then before He carries out the judgment, He would again send another prophet to remind them what they have been told.

Where there is no vision, people perish. How are people treating their last known prophet EGW's writings? The fact that God used EGW in the first place is because they hadn't been faithful and diligent with the message they had to that point.

I have people telling me they don't see anything new in these dreams. Well, if you knew all of them then aren't you doing them?

My safest way to tell if a message is from God is that if I felt impressed to strengthen and renew my relationship with Christ or not.

It's always easier to be a critic.

 

[ricker]

Is it possible our brother Ernie Knoll is being deceived?

Interesting article from Steve Wohlberg regarding this. What you guys think?

http://www.notaprophet.org/articles/ernie_knolls_dreams.html


Regardless of the spirit talking to Ernie Knoll, this is still a sign that the end is getting very close. Satin is working harder then ever to deceive the elect. Add to that all the things going on with in the SDA community. It is close indeed.

Is there an official position of the SDA church concerning Ernie's dreams? Is he a pastor or member in good standing? Just wondering.......thanks!

 

[DarylFawcett]

Is there an official position of the SDA church concerning Ernie's dreams? Is he a pastor or member in good standing? Just wondering.......thanks!

That's a good question.

Has anybody here contacted the SDA Church leadership regarding this?

 

[RND]

That's a good question.

Has anybody here contacted the SDA Church leadership regarding this?

Daryl I would imagine there are a few posters on your site that would have by now. That'd be a great place to start!

 

[BobRyan]

Is there an official position of the SDA church concerning Ernie's dreams? Is he a pastor or member in good standing? Just wondering.......thanks!

Don't know if there is an "official one" - I do know of a Pastor in Centerville Ohio - That has some interesting sermons in favor of Ernie Knoll's ministry.

Winston Baldwin
http://www.centervillesdachurch.org/Pastors.html

He has a sermon on "dreams and visions" at this link
http://www.4hispeople.com/favoritesermons.html

I also know that the GC has a site where they publish there position statements.

http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/statements/index.html

(Not that those are actually voted by the denomination -- but they are at least "representative" of SDA leadership agreement at some level)


in Christ,

Bob

 

[ricker]

Don't know if there is an "official one" - I do know of a Pastor in Centerville Ohio - That has some interesting sermons in favor of Ernie Knoll's ministry.

Winston Baldwin
http://www.centervillesdachurch.org/Pastors.html

He has a sermon on "dreams and visions" at this link
http://www.4hispeople.com/favoritesermons.html

I also know that the GC has a site where they publish there position statements.

http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/statements/index.html

(Not that those are actually voted by the denomination -- but they are at least "representative" of SDA leadership agreement at some level)


in Christ,

Bob

Thanks, Bob.

I doesn't seem like the Adventist denomination has tried to distance itself from Mr. Knoll's ministry at this time, anyway. This is a prudent position for now, I'm sure.

Do you know, is Ernie Knoll a pastor?

 

[BobRyan]

His profession is (was) in software and consulting with Adventist Health Systems before becoming very ill for a few years. Now he does this ministry full time -- does not charge for the seminars or books or materials.

The denomination has not come out with a statement on that ministry - but then they usually don't do that with any independant SDA ministry. If you look closely at Ernie's web site you will find a group calling themselves "the Great Commission Council" that checked up on Candice's story and on the naysaying site arguments raised against 4HisPeople. They say they are GC conference workers, ministers etc but do not want to give their names because a number of them are still receiving pay from the conference and they fear some kind of financial risk if they let their support of this ministry be known.

http://www.4hispeople.com/GCC_Findings.htm



in Christ,

Bob

 

[Man-ofGod]

Here is a page from 2SM on this topic - that is interesting.




Bottom line -- we have been warned of what to expect.

in Christ,

Bob

So what does that mean as far as what we are allowed to do and what not to do in regards to testing the spirit?