Episode 4:09 - The Shape of Things to Come

[BenAdam]

how about the black smoke train? i got downright nakkid

 

[Redguard]

So, was it just me, or did anyone else find that the outer frame of the show was cropped off? Anytime they had text on the screen, I only saw half.

 

[lovesdolphins]

So, was it just me, or did anyone else find that the outer frame of the show was cropped off? Anytime they had text on the screen, I only saw half.

I think it was your TV.

Which reminds me - where did C.S. Lewis girlie find that polar bear?

 

[BenAdam]

I think it was your TV.

Which reminds me - where did C.S. Lewis girlie find that polar bear?

Tunisia

 

[lovesdolphins]

Tunisia

That's what I thought... thanks

 

[Redguard]

So, Ben can telewarp through time and space? Or just space?

Did you see the way he sorta vibrated when he landed in that Tunisian desert?

 

[lovesdolphins]

Oh - and what's the deal with the Dr being on the boat - and being just fine?

Time travel (even Back to the Future) always confuses me.

 

[BenAdam]

So, Ben can telewarp through time and space? Or just space?

Did you see the way he sorta vibrated when he landed in that Tunisian desert?

I can only teleport through water...

 

[LovesToRead]

Oh - and what's the deal with the Dr being on the boat - and being just fine?

Time travel (even Back to the Future) always confuses me.

Good thing Bernard knows Morse Code too.

 

[LovesToRead]

So...we saw people we know survive...going in opposite directions. Hurley went with Ben and Locke....Aaron went "to the beach".

 

[Redguard]

I couldn't help but laugh when I saw all these no-named redshirts popping out of their homes and getting clipped.

I was like, "Where the heck were all these people BEFORE the attack?"

 

[LovesToRead]

I couldn't help but laugh when I saw all these no-named redshirts popping out of their homes and getting clipped.

I was like, "Where the heck were all these people BEFORE the attack?"

Agreed. Weren't the guys in the redshirts always the ones who would die on Star Trek? Or is that the point of your reference?

 

[BenAdam]

I couldn't help but laugh when I saw all these no-named redshirts popping out of their homes and getting clipped.

I was like, "Where the heck were all these people BEFORE the attack?"

culling the herd so to speak

 

[Sign Of The Fish Burger]

Holy smoke monster batman!

What a crazy episode. Kind of bittersweet- Sayid finally finds Nadia and then she is killed

 

[snoochface]

I couldn't help but laugh when I saw all these no-named redshirts popping out of their homes and getting clipped.

I was like, "Where the heck were all these people BEFORE the attack?"

That's almost exactly what I said. Redshirts never listen to the repeated shouts of "Get back inside!", they just keep popping out like ducks in a shooting gallery.

Okay, so when Ben and Locke put the gun on Sawyer and insisted that Hurley go with them, and Hurley said that he would..... I immediately thought THIS is what he meant when he told Jack, "I shouldn't have gone with Locke" in his flash forward episode. Not the split where he went with Locke, but that scene right there, whatever is about to happen with Jacob, that's what he was referring to. I think, anyway.

Ben can control Smokey!!! And wow, did he ever control him. That was freaky!

Widmore "changed the rules". What rules? That if Ben didn't care about Alex, she'd be safe? But then she wasn't? Are there rules for the island that Widmore controls? How was this Widmore's island from the start?

Ben had to confirm that it really was 2005 when he got to the hotel. And did you notice the hotel clerk's reaction when she saw his name (or alias) on the "VIP" list?

 

[BenAdam]

That's almost exactly what I said. Redshirts never listen to the repeated shouts of "Get back inside!", they just keep popping out like ducks in a shooting gallery.

Okay, so when Ben and Locke put the gun on Sawyer and insisted that Hurley go with them, and Hurley said that he would..... I immediately thought THIS is what he meant when he told Jack, "I shouldn't have gone with Locke" in his flash forward episode. Not the split where he went with Locke, but that scene right there, whatever is about to happen with Jacob, that's what he was referring to. I think, anyway.

Ben can control Smokey!!! And wow, did he ever control him. That was freaky!

Widmore "changed the rules". What rules? That if Ben didn't care about Alex, she'd be safe? But then she wasn't? Are there rules for the island that Widmore controls? How was this Widmore's island from the start?

Ben had to confirm that it really was 2005 when he got to the hotel. And did you notice the hotel clerk's reaction when she saw his name (or alias) on the "VIP" list?

There is a smokey train a coming...

Ben is one bad dude, and not just because we share a name.

Why can't he kill Widmore?

 

[snoochface]

There is a smokey train a coming...

Ben is one bad dude, and not just because we share a name.

Why can't he kill Widmore?

I think he can't kill Widmore in London 2005. I haven't had enough coffee yet this morning to think this all out, but I think Widmore lives to do something in the future, and Ben knows he won't be able to (the island won't let him?) kill Widmore in 2005 because he still exists in the future and that would change history. Didn't Daniel say something about not being able to change the past to Desmond?

 

[TheDerek]

Yeah... my pants sorta flew off when I saw what happeend to Alex. Totally wasn't expecting that. Brutal.

I'm sitting here thinking, "Ben has a plan, it's all good." Then BAAM!

It appears that Ben knows the proximity of the cabin, he led the way, but only Hurley can actually find it...

So Smokey is controlled by Ben!

The rules! They changed!

 

[plum]

duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude.






gotta hash this one out over lunch! problem is... the folks here at work aren't as deep into the theories as you are. logic and evidence sort of escape them but if they say anything great, i'll report back!

 

[Redguard]

Agreed. Weren't the guys in the redshirts always the ones who would die on Star Trek? Or is that the point of your reference?

You got it!