Eph 1:4 exegeted

[FreeGrace2]

I'll just waste a little time by asking this simple question ...

What are you (or anyone else) going to do with the 10 NT verses that say:
One must practice/work righteousness to actually be righteous!

Your answer will be asking me to present the verses (AGAIN),
as you always do with issues that stump you.

Stumped, you say? lol

Since you aren't interested in posting your list again (why would anyone think that others will remember which exact 10 verses you're referring to anyway), I'll just refute YOUR MISUNDERSTANDING of those 10 verses by proving from Scripture that we are righteous on the basis of faith.

Phil 3:9 and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that (having a righteousness) which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,

Now, either your 10 verses DON'T say what you think they say, or Phil 3:9 is a lie. So, which is it?

If one "must practice/work righteousness" to actualy be righteous, then Paul flat out lied to the Philippian believers.

So, because Phil 3:9 is so crystal clear, it is also crystal clear that NONE of your list of verses teaches what you claim they teach.

 

[ZacharyB]

Thanks for responding honestly ... you choose to ignore the 10 verses,
my current favorite of which is da following:

“In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God … (1 John 3:10)

Warning:
We need to reconcile ALL of the NT verses, which the Lord has enabled some believers to do!

 

[FreeGrace2]

Thanks for responding honestly ... you choose to ignore the 10 verses,
my current favorite of which is da following:

“In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God … (1 John 3:10)

Warning:
We need to reconcile ALL of the NT verses, which the Lord has enabled some believers to do!

I have reconciled all of them. Unlike yourself, who rejects what refutes your views.

Eternal life is a gift of God (Rom 6:23) and God's gifts are IRREVOCABLE (Rom 11:29). You've rejected that.

Your credibility is zero.

Your problem, and all of those of your ilk, is that you either simply fail to understand what grace is, or you've flat out rejected it. Your choice.

No one is more offended by sin than God Himself. But God is grace. And you're not even close.

 

[Foghorn]

I had to skip over this post. God doesn't gamble nor he clowns around. I must not be in the serious section.

Yea right?

 

[Foghorn]

Predestinated salvation ( Particular Election )
is the plain teaching of Scripture.

"Many are called, but few are chosen."
( Matthew 22:14 KJV )

"As many as had been appointed to
eternal life believed." ( Acts 13:14
NASB )

"He chose us in Him before the
foundation of the world." ( Ephesians
1:4 NASB )

"I will be gracious to whom I will be
gracious, and will show compassion
on whom I will show compassion."
( Exodus 33:19 NASB, cf Romans
9:5 )

"...according to God's gracious choice."
( Romans 11:5 NASB )

"To you it has been granted to know
the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven,
but to them it has not been granted."
( Matthew 13:11 NASB )

"Those who were chosen obtained it,
and the rest were hardened." ( Romans
11:7 NASB )

"You did not choose Me, but I chose
you, and appointed you" ( John 15:16
NASB )

"I do not speak of all of you. I know the
ones I have chosen" ( John 13:18 NASB )

Particular Election is one of the best documented
doctrines in Scripture. Even the Lord's making
the Hebrews His "chosen people" was Particular
Election.

Amen

 

[Foghorn]

According to Eph 1:4, you are elect BECAUSE you have believed.

Keep in mind that you weren't elected to believe.

So we are self elected? How silly.

 

[Foghorn]

Do you pick and choose what you desire from the Bible?

2 Corinthians 7:1
Therefore, having these promises, beloved, LET US CLEANSE OURSELVES from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit,
perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Are you a believer in a works based salvation?

 

[EmSw]

Are you a believer in a works based salvation?

Are you an evil works believer?

 

[EmSw]

Are you a believer in a works based salvation?

Do you not believe you should cleanse yourself from all filthiness?

 

[EmSw]

Are you a believer in a works based salvation?

Do you not believe the words of Jesus in John 5:29?

and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

 

[EmSw]

Are you a believer in a works based salvation?

Do you believe those who continue in evil works will inherit the kingdom of God?

 

[Foghorn]

Are you an evil works believer?

So I take it your not going to answer my question?

Ok, fine.

{EDIT} Looking at your later replies I know you think you have answered my question. But your assumptions are not answers. In order to get the the meat of the subject we have to have a starting point, which should include answering questions.

Enjoy your day.

 

[EmSw]

So I take it your not going to answer my question?

Ok, fine.

{EDIT} Looking at your later replies I know you think you have answered my question. But your assumptions are not answers. In order to get the the meat of the subject we have to have a starting point, which should include answering questions.

Enjoy your day.

Are you doing the Calvinist thing? That is, walk away when you can't answer questions presented to you.

Do you not know by answering my questions to you, it will answer your question to me?

 

[Foghorn]

Are you doing the Calvinist thing? That is, walk away when you can't answer questions presented to you.

Do you not know by answering my questions to you, it will answer your question to me?

Hey if that's what you think, give yourself a good ol' pat on the back.

I'm not walking away from a good discussion, but I will walk away from a silly one.

Now, do you want to start over and answer my question?

or, give your self that good ol' pat on the back?

 

[EmSw]

Hey if that's what you think, give yourself a good ol' pat on the back.

I'm not walking away from a good discussion, but I will walk away from a silly one.

Now, do you want to start over and answer my question?

or, give your self that good ol' pat on the back?

Am I predestined to pat myself on the back? If I am predestined to do that, why does it concern you? Are you jealous I am predestined to do so?

Let God's predestination take its course, and don't ridicule and try to change it. If the sovereign God has predetermined to have me pat myself on the back, don't fight it.

To answer your question, of course, it takes good works for one to enter heaven. It is by good works that one comes forth to the resurrection of life.

If one tries to enter the sheepfold by evil works, he will definitely be thwarted in his attempt. Are you one who believes those who continue in evil works will inherit the kingdom of God?

Walk if you must. I've seen it plenty of times. When the light of the truth is presented, those who don't believe it, will definitely go their own way.

It's your choice; I will be just fine whatever you decide to do.

 

[tulipbee]

Am I predestined to pat myself on the back? If I am predestined to do that, why does it concern you? Are you jealous I am predestined to do so?

Let God's predestination take its course, and don't ridicule and try to change it. If the sovereign God has predetermined to have me pat myself on the back, don't fight it.

To answer your question, of course, it takes good works for one to enter heaven. It is by good works that one comes forth to the resurrection of life.

If one tries to enter the sheepfold by evil works, he will definitely be thwarted in his attempt. Are you one who believes those who continue in evil works will inherit the kingdom of God?

Walk if you must. I've seen it plenty of times. When the light of the truth is presented, those who don't believe it, will definitely go their own way.

It's your choice; I will be just fine whatever you decide to do.

Good works precedes regeneration keeps a self-goodness man dead.

 

[EmSw]

Good works precedes regeneration keeps a self-goodness man dead.

From what Bible did you get this?

Ezekiel 18:31 says otherwise. One must cast away all his transgressions in order to make himself a new heart and new spirit.

 

[tulipbee]

From what Bible did you get this?

Ezekiel 18:31 says otherwise. One must cast away all his transgressions in order to make himself a new heart and new spirit.

Must be convicted first. Unregenerates care less about that

 

[EmSw]

Must be convicted first. Unregenerates care less about that

For that, we have the Spirit.

 

[tulipbee]

For that, we have the Spirit.

Spirit first, faith second, works third. You have it backwards