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Enoch "Raptured"?

Discussion in 'Christian Scriptures' started by ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°), Oct 24, 2020.

  1. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) <>< Supporter

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    Where does it state in the scriptures that He was 'raptured'? Is it merely tradition that believers have assumed over the years that says he entered Heaven while still alive?
     
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    Tigger45 Jesus the Christ Supporter

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    Hebrews 11:5

    By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: "He could not be found, because God had taken him away." For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.
     
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    Ah. Well, there you have it. Thanks!
     
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    So that makes two recorded in scripture then right? Enoch and Elijah?
     
  5. Gifts From Above

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    Yes that is correct. Those two are the only two listed who did not taste of death. However some believe that the apostle John is still alive and that he never died.
     
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    Tigger45 Jesus the Christ Supporter

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    Right, that’s all I know about.
     
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    Tigger45 Jesus the Christ Supporter

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    I don’t believe Mosses’ body was ever found but that doesn’t mean he was raptured though.
     
  8. ewq1938

    ewq1938 When something is "mind bottling" Staff Member Supervisor Supporter

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    Rapture means to be "caught up" or physically "lifted up".

    This has happened many times and will happen to the two prophets In Revelation 11 after they are resurrected, HOWEVER, there is only ONE mass bodily rapture, which is at the second coming. So "the rapture" is only a one time event but there are many "raptures" aside from that particular group rapture.
     
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    Never mind I found it.

    Deuteronomy 34:6
    And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.
     
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    Also there is a reference to it in Jude 9.
     
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    Plus the text clearly states in the OT when God is talking with Joshua that Moses the servant of the Lord is dead.
     
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    Moses appeared with Elijah on the mount of transfiguration. They are in the same place regardless.

    Genesis 5:22-24
    22 And Enoch walked with God, after he begat Methuselah, three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.
    23 So all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years.
    24 And Enoch walked with God, and he was no more seen: for God took him away.

    If it was not a "rapture", then Enoch walked to heaven.
     
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    Well, y'all certainly have your points of reference that backup your doctrine. Personally, I think it's way off. In fact, I think it's the biggest tradition of man that's been passed down thru the history of time. But please nevermind that. We must press on. God is more concerned about saving souls.
     
  14. Gifts From Above

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    Well I find it sad that you doubt God’s word and his power.
     
  15. ewq1938

    ewq1938 When something is "mind bottling" Staff Member Supervisor Supporter

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    Let's not get sidetracked. The thread is not about whether the Rapture is true or not but whether or not Enoch was raptured ie: moved up somewhere etc.

     
  16. Tigger45

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    Yeah but I didn’t deny that Enoch was taken up to heaven.
     
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    No, you did not.

    Moses also walked with God, maybe not as much or long as Enoch. Moses could not enter the Promise Land. Never did it say Moses could not enter Paradise. We can only go by Moses' own written epitaph that God killed him, no? Moses did not write it after he walked away into the wilderness, and told them not to follow him. He wrote it and left, and only days later a search party went out and found nothing.

    Now in contrast Elijah told Elisha not to follow him either, because God was going to take him to heaven. If Elisha obeyed and stayed at home, how would we have known how Elijah went to Heaven? Elisha contrary to Joshua, kept following Elijah up to the very last moment, and confirmed how Elijah went to Heaven. If Joshua had followed Moses, would he have written a totally different epitaph than what Moses left? Was Moses' act of disobedience so devastating to Moses that he bowed out gracefully, instead of making a big deal about being able to disobey God without consequences? If His people saw he had a direct route to Paradise would they obey or disobey any better or worse and think they could get away with it?

    It does not matter 1000's of years later. Both Moses and Elijah came from and returned to the same place, Paradise, before the Cross. The rest of the OT believers had to wait until the Sunday resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ to Paradise.
     
  18. eleos1954

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    Enoch did not see/experience the first death.

    Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death, and he was not found, because God had taken him. Now before he was taken he was commended as having pleased God.

    In the New Testament in the book of Mark 9:4 Moses and Elijah appear to/with Jesus on the mount of transfiguration.

    Also right after Jesus cruxifixction there was a "mini resurrection" ... we don't know how many or who they were. Matthew 27:52
     
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