Enoch and Elijah

[benedictaoo]

The call to repentance goes hand-in-hand with God's offer of divine mercy.

And the world needs to repent because it has apostatized.
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Yes but that will end and we'll have peace then the end days come when literally hell breaks loose. We are in the last days, not the end days. This apostasy is nothing compared to the end days. At least this is what I think. E and E come at the end. I don't think we're there. Benedict didn't either.

 

[benedictaoo]

All any of us are doing is guessing anyway. No one can say they are right 100%.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Yes but that will end and we'll have peace then the end days come when literally hell breaks loose. We are in the last days, not the end days. This apostasy is nothing compared to the end days. At least this is what I think. E and E come at the end. I don't think we're there. Benedict didn't either.

The opinions offered by St. John Paul II and by Benedict XVI about the near future were only opinions. And the world has changed a lot (for the worse) even in the short time since those papacies. Since that time, the world has seen the fast rise of ISIS and a new global Islamic jihad as well as the world's acceptance of so-called "same-sex marriage." Also, euthanasia is starting to become legalized everywhere, and Planned Parenthood has sunk to new lows.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

I believe that ISIS is literally Satan's army of darkness. Jesus described Satan as a liar and a murderer. The devil is showing his deceitful side in the West and his murderous side in the East. It's two sides of the same coin.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

The Catechism of the Catholic Church

The Church's ultimate trial

675 Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.

676 The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgement. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism, especially the "intrinsically perverse" political form of a secular messianism.

677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection. The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven. God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgement after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.

 

[MikeK]

I'm not going to publicly say who I think the Antichrist is if I'm not 100% sure about it. I don't know why that bothers you.

Not you in particular, but any person who has that kind of certainty should want to warn humanity, I'd think. If I knew his identity with only a 1-in-1000 chance of being wrong, I hope I would warn my neighbors. I'm called to love them as my self.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Not you in particular, but any person who has that kind of certainty should want to warn humanity, I'd think. If I knew his identity with only a 1-in-1000 chance of being wrong, I hope I would warn my neighbors. I'm called to love them as my self.

I told you that I don't know for sure who it is. So I'm not going to publicly say who I think it is. I will only publicly say what I am sure of and nothing more. Period. I don't believe in recklessly shooting off opinions the way you do.

 

[Michie]

We are all called to know the signs and be aware of deception ourselves. It's really nobody's job to determine who the antichrist is and start spreading the word. We are ourselves called to be prepared. We are not called to be seers. Think of the 10 virgins and the oil or lack of oil in their lamps.

I told you that I don't know for sure who it is. So I'm not going to publicly say who I think it is. I will only publicly say what I am sure of and nothing more. Period. I don't believe in recklessly shooting off opinions the way you do.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

We are all called to know the signs and be aware of deception ourselves. It's really nobody's job to determine who the antichrist is and start spreading the word. We are ourselves called to be prepared. We are not called to be seers. Think of the 10 virgins and the oil or lack of oil in their lamps.

That's basically what I wanted to say. Since I know how Sacred Scripture and divine Tradition describe the rebellion and the Antichrist that goes along with it, I can't help but notice the things going on that fit the description. But since I'm not absolutely sure who the Antichrist is, I'm not going to broadcast it. However, there's nothing wrong with believing that the conditions are such that we could be in the time of the Antichrist since it's an opinion that was given by Pope St. Pius X.

 

[Michie]

I agree. All I know is I want to keep oil in my lamp. Not a thing wrong with that. We are called to long, expect, prepare, and watch for His coming.

That's basically what I wanted to say. Since I know how Sacred Scripture and divine Tradition describe the rebellion and the Antichrist that goes along with it, I can't help but notice the things going on that fit the description. But since I'm not absolutely sure who the Antichrist is, I'm not going to broadcast it. However, there's nothing wrong with believing that the conditions are such that we could be in the time of the Antichrist since it's an opinion that was given by Pope St. Pius X.

 

[MikeK]

I told you that I don't know for sure who it is. So I'm not going to publicly say who I think it is. I will only publicly say what I am sure of and nothing more. Period. I don't believe in recklessly shooting off opinions the way you do.

No need to for personal jabs. You routinely share your opinions on other topics. In fact, here you share your opinion that I recklessly spout opinions. I find it curious that you would opt not to share information that could help your neighbor but freely opine on matters of no big picture importance. I can't help but think that maybe you aren't as certain as you would like people to think you are and that you don't want to share your opinion directly out of a fear of being proven wrong.

 

[Michie]

He said he does not for sure who it is. There are many antichrists in the world. Always has been. Christians have had their radar pinging since the beginning concerning this subject. There is nothing anyone can say to others that will convince them either way.

No need to for personal jabs. You routinely share your opinions on other topics. In fact, here you share your opinion that I recklessly spout opinions. I find it curious that you would opt not to share information that could help your neighbor but freely opine on matters of no big picture importance. I can't help but think that maybe you aren't as certain as you would like people to think you are and that you don't want to share your opinion directly out of a fear of being proven wrong.

 

[MikeK]

He said he does not for sure who it is. There are many antichrists in the world. Always has been. Christians have had their radar pinging since the beginning concerning this subject. There is nothing anyone can say to others that will convince them either way.

He also said he was 99.9% sure who it was, I can send you a link if you like. Refusing to voice an opinion a person believes would be true 999/1000 times is.....strange - especially when the person who refuses to share such information is so quick to offer opinions on other topics which are nowhere near as certain. I believe that this sort of refusal to make stands that can be tested while freely opening on those things that cannot be tested is one of the main factors that turns people off from religious belief - everyone has faith until they're asked to demonstrate it.

 

[Michie]

I'm probably more used to it than you. I'm used to the 'name who could be the antichrist' games. It has been going on since Jesus' ascension. There is no obligation by anyone to name (the) Antichrist. It is better that they don't. We are only called to seek the Lord's coming and be prepared as we live our lives.

It does not matter what he thinks or says about other subjects. He can say he has suspicions as to who he thinks it is but is under no obligation to state who he thinks it is so we can test it. There is no way we could come to any conclusion until everything he is set to do is done. There are many little antichrists on the world as we all should know but there is nothing fruitful about testing suspicions that cannot be proven until everything is revealed.

He also said he was 99.9% sure who it was, I can send you a link if you like. Refusing to voice an opinion a person believes would be true 999/1000 times is.....strange - especially when the person who refuses to share such information is so quick to offer opinions on other topics which are nowhere near as certain. I believe that this sort of refusal to make stands that can be tested while freely opening on those things that cannot be tested is one of the main factors that turns people off from religious belief - everyone has faith until they're asked to demonstrate it.

 

[MikeK]

The statement in question was about the antichrist, not an antichrist. The antichrist is, of course, an evil person the likes of which we've never seen. I I were 99.9% sure who a rapist or murderwr in my town was and the police were doing nothing about it, I would share my 999/1000 hunch with others out of love and concern for them. If it were a person far more evil than a rapist or murderer, I would feel even more bound to share that information. Of course, we all have the freedom to keep such secrets, just like we all have the freedom to criticize anyone who would.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

No need to for personal jabs. You routinely share your opinions on other topics. In fact, here you share your opinion that I recklessly spout opinions. I find it curious that you would opt not to share information that could help your neighbor but freely opine on matters of no big picture importance. I can't help but think that maybe you aren't as certain as you would like people to think you are and that you don't want to share your opinion directly out of a fear of being proven wrong.

That I've said I'm not 100% certain who the Antichrist is means that I've already acknowledged the possibility for being wrong. And that possibility for being wrong is why I won't publicly say who I'm thinking about.

It seems like you are trying desperately hard to create a straw man.
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[Michie]

Well you are free to your opinion. But it really is a fruitless thing to say name the Antichrist so we can test it. You can't. It would be different if we were in the midst of something a public figure did acting as if he were God but I have not noticed anything to warn anyone about at this point. There is no use ragging him about it.

The statement in question was about the antichrist, not an antichrist. The antichrist is, of course, an evil person the likes of which we've never seen. I I were 99.9% sure who a rapist or murderwr in my town was and the police were doing nothing about it, I would share my 999/1000 hunch with others out of love and concern for them. If it were a person far more evil than a rapist or murderer, I would feel even more bound to share that information. Of course, we all have the freedom to keep such secrets, just like we all have the freedom to criticize anyone who would.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Well you are free to your opinion. But it really is a fruitless thing to say name the Antichrist so we can test it. You can't. It would be different if we were in the midst of something a public figure did acting as if he were God but I have not noticed anything to earn anyone about at this point. There is no use ragging him about it.

If I told him who I'm thinking about he would simply tell me that I'm wrong and then ridicule me more like he's already doing.

 

[Michie]

It is just a fruitless discussion. Many people have had many thoughts about people throughout history about this. Christian tradition? Lol! Maybe!

If I told him who I'm thinking about he would simply tell me that I'm wrong and then ridicule me more like he's already doing.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

It is just a fruitless discussion. Many people have had many thoughts about people throughout history about this. Christian tradition? Lol! Maybe!

He would pull his "people have been wrong about it before" as his "proof" that I'm wrong.