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There are not two women in Revelation 12. The woman throughout Revelation 12 is Israel.
Begins about a year before Daniel 9:27 ? Based on what ?Chart in #61, is correct, excepting for Ezekiel 39:9, which begins about a year before Daniel 9:27. Also when the clean up starts.
None of the translations have "1150" days in the text. None of the translations have "1150 mornings"and "1150 evenings".It is not possible for you to give up trying to fit 2300 days into the end times?
To not accept all the modern translations of Daniel 8:14, puts you in the dinosaur category.
Only one 'woman', as there is only one people of God.There are not two women in Revelation 12. The woman throughout Revelation 12 is Israel.
It is just my estimate. Maybe sooner, but what is certain, is that the G/M attack and destruction, cannot be simultaneous with Daniel 9:27.Begins about a year before Daniel 9:27 ? Based on what ?
I and many other careful studiers of history and the Bible, can divide 2300 by 2 and he result fits a Temple desecration which happened about 2200 years ago.None of the translations have "1150" days in the text. None of the translations have "1150 mornings"and "1150 evenings".
The seven years of Ezekiel 39:9 are after the Gog/Magog attack and destruction.It is just my estimate. Maybe sooner, but what is certain, is that the G/M attack and destruction, cannot be simultaneous with Daniel 9:27.
The woman is Israel. Not "Spiritual Israelites".Only one 'woman', as there is only one people of God.
The 'woman' only ever represents the Holy people of God, the Spiritual Israelites.
The 2 Witnesses do not go into the wilderness.
There is no reason for the 'woman' to be taken to safety during the first half of the final 7 years.
Dividing any number by 2 is possible.I and many other careful studiers of history and the Bible, can divide 2300 by 2 and he result fits a Temple desecration which happened about 2200 years ago.
This is where you go off the rails,The woman is Israel. Not "Spiritual Israelites".
Why not? It is possible, there will be communications.Also, in your projected fit, if the 3 1/2 days end the day Jesus's return, would people all around the world be making merry and exchanging gifts, celebrating the deaths of the two witnesses at that time ?
keras. the resurrection/rapture to heaven has no connection to Revelation 12.This is where you go off the rails,
The determination to have an ethnic Israel, as is needed for the 'rapture to heaven' theory to work, is at the root of error and confusion.
Christians in general (Jew and Gentile believers who belong to Christ) are noted for keeping the commandments of God and having the testimony of Jesus Christ.keras. the resurrection/rapture to heaven has no connection to Revelation 12.
The woman throughout all of Revelation 12 is Israel.
keras wrote: Revelation 12:17 proves that all the references to the 'woman', simply mean the Christian peoples.
No, not the Christian people in general, but Jews (the remnant of the woman Israel) who will have become Christians. The Jews are noted for trying to keep the commandments of God.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.Christians in general (Jew and Gentile believers who belong to Christ) are noted for keeping the commandments of God and having the testimony of Jesus Christ.
1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
The woman is the Israel of God or Spiritual Israel (not national Israel) whose children are Jesus Himself (Rev 12:5) and those who "have the testimony of Jesus" which are those "which keep the commandments of God", which are those who are "born of God", which are those who are in the church with Jesus Christ as the cornerstone.
Getting a note of desperation now.The her is Israel. Her seed is talking about bloodline, descendants of the 12 tribes of Israel.
S.I. and I have thoroughly, utterly and completely disproved that idea.The woman throughout Revelation 12 is the nation of Israel.
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Please address what I said in post 73 specifically and then I will address this post. I responded specifically to what you had said, but you did not respond specifically to what I said. You always think I'm the only one who has to address the other's points, which is completely unfair and very rude.Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The her is Israel. Her seed is talking about bloodline, descendants of the 12 tribes of Israel.
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Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
The twelve stars are the twelve tribes of Israel. Isaiah 9:6 Unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given - referring to Jesus.
The woman throughout Revelation 12 is the nation of Israel.
Speaking of not responding, you have not responded to my question that I have asked you a couple of times regarding your claim that there is not going to be another physical temple in Jerusalem which the Antichrist will desecrate.Please address what I said in post 73 specifically and then I will address this post. I responded specifically to what you had said, but you did not respond specifically to what I said. You always think I'm the only one who has to address the other's points, which is completely unfair and very rude.
First of all, I don't share your belief that the beast and false prophet (second beast) are individual human beings. So, in my view, they are all over the world when Jesus returns because the beast represents the world government or world political power at any given time in history (the head that "is" at the time Revelation was written was the Roman empire) while the false prophet or second beast represents all of the false religion of the world which opposes the one true God and Christianity and supports the world system that opposes God.Speaking of not responding, you have not responded to my question that I have asked you a couple of times regarding your claim that there is not going to be another physical temple in Jerusalem which the Antichrist will desecrate.
My question was....
Where do you think the false prophet and the beast-king (the Antichrist) and Satan will be when Jesus returns in Revelation 19 to cast the false prophet and the beast-king into the lake of fire?
I don't know exactly where Satan was when Jesus died and took away the power of death from Satan with His death on the cross, leading to the freeing of many people from slavery to the fear of death because of having the hope of eternal life because of His death and resurrection.And where Satan will be when the angel descends down from heaven, binds Satan with a chain and casts Satan into the bottomless pit ?
Nor does it say "Israel", but that's what you believe. So, what you're saying here is pointless. The only offspring that are mentioned that the woman had were Jesus Himself (Rev 12:5) and those who belong to Christ, which are those who have the testimony of Jesus and are born of the Spirit and keep God's commandments (Rev 12:17).----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You wrote in post #73....
"The woman is the Israel of God or Spiritual Israel (not national Israel) whose children are Jesus Himself (Rev 12:5) and those who "have the testimony of Jesus" which are those "which keep the commandments of God", which are those who are "born of God", which are those who are in the church with Jesus Christ as the cornerstone."
My response is that the bible does not say the "Israel of God" in the text of Revelation 12, nor "Spiritual Israel" in the text of Revelation 12.
No, I am not. Why are you saying that? You think you can just make claims like this while doing nothing to back it up? Think again.You are trying to re-define who the woman is in Revelation 12:1-5 who gave birth to Jesus.
Prove it. I would never just take your word for anything.The woman throughout Revelation 12 is Israel.
Do you believe that Jesus returns to stand on the Mt. of Olives splitting it in half as it says in Zechariah 14:4 ? The Mt. of Olives is directly across from the temple mount. - where the beast-king, the false prophet , and Satan will be.First of all, I don't share your belief that the beast and false prophet (second beast) are individual human beings. So, in my view, they are all over the world when Jesus returns because the beast represents the world government or world political power at any given time in history (the head that "is" at the time Revelation was written was the Roman empire) while the false prophet or second beast represents all of the false religion of the world which opposes the one true God and Christianity and supports the world system that opposes God.
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