Emo and Indie

[the_buddy]

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that emo love link is pretty funny.............alot of the girls look the same lol

 

[the_buddy]

Is anybody going to the warped tour this summer?! my fav. band is going to be there MXPX! i also want to see underoath, from first to last, my chemical romance....and theres alot more but i forgot the playlist

 

[NIMBYatheist42!!!]

Modest Mouse!!!

Broken Social Scene!!!

 

[fieldy]

Emo: At the drive-in / Mars volta, fugazi,

how are they emo?

anyone else notice emo is dying out in the mainstream? i think this trend is dying and like i've said before it's time for something new.

 

[chari.chari]

I hate the "emo" label. I mean, come on. Everyone's emotional! It can't only apply to one genre of music.

 

[chari.chari]

My Chemical Romance is terrible. The lyrics are some of the most insipid and cliched I've ever heard. Yuck.

 

[Qyöt27]

how are they emo?

anyone else notice emo is dying out in the mainstream? i think this trend is dying and like i've said before it's time for something new.

Fugazi actually is Emo. As are Rites Of Spring.

The problem, however, is that the term 'Emo' got too closely associated with bands like Sunny Day Real Estate during the mid-90s, after the original wave of Emotional Hardcore (abbrev. Emocore, Emo) died out. What was left behind was actually Post-Emo Indie Rock, but nobody wanted to say all that, and when so-called 'Emo' became popular, it was SDRE, Weezer, and the scores of bands that came out afterwards that imitated them or infused it with Pop-Punk.

I think the At The Drive-In/Mars Volta (what, no Sparta? ) thing is that now people are just calling any grand sounding, punkish rock music with wailing vocals Emo, regardless of the lyrical content. I prefer to lump them into the Prog Rock category, myself.

 

[Qyöt27]

Furthermore, I think a lot of people nowadays have no clue what 'Emo' actually is, or confuse it too heavily with Pop-Punk. They've started just labelling random artists as 'Emo' or 'Punk', despite any evidence to the contrary. I've actually seen Eve 6 referred to as Emo on this board, which isn't even close. Eve 6 is barely even Pop-Punk as it is.

I think that it's time for something new, also (I'd like a resurgence of Industrial music, but I know that probably won't happen).

 

[JaelWasWickedCool]

Fugazi actually is Emo. As are Rites Of Spring.

The problem, however, is that the term 'Emo' got too closely associated with bands like Sunny Day Real Estate during the mid-90s, after the original wave of Emotional Hardcore (abbrev. Emocore, Emo) died out. What was left behind was actually Post-Emo Indie Rock, but nobody wanted to say all that, and when so-called 'Emo' became popular, it was SDRE, Weezer, and the scores of bands that came out afterwards that imitated them or infused it with Pop-Punk.

I think the At The Drive-In/Mars Volta (what, no Sparta? ) thing is that now people are just calling any grand sounding, punkish rock music with wailing vocals Emo, regardless of the lyrical content. I prefer to lump them into the Prog Rock category, myself.

it seems odd to me, seeing you list sunny day real estate and weezer so closely together, as if they have anything to do with each other musically. i guess it's fair enough to call sdre post-emo indie rock, but even adding in "infused with pop-punk," i wouldn't really say that's an accurate term for weezer. oh, and i know it's a silly thing to mention, but i'm still just not sure about fugazi being called emo. i think they're more punk than that.

at any rate, yeah. "emo" now and emo then are two totally and completely different things. one of those things being fairly good and the other....not.

 

[Qyöt27]

it seems odd to me, seeing you list sunny day real estate and weezer so closely together, as if they have anything to do with each other musically. i guess it's fair enough to call sdre post-emo indie rock, but even adding in "infused with pop-punk," i wouldn't really say that's an accurate term for weezer.

I was going off of allmusic's description there. I consider Weezer more Post-Grunge than anything, but I'd say they at least had a little bit of a hand in shaping the sound of later bands that would infuse it with Pop-Punk. I'm guessing that's how allmusic classify them also, since they also have Weezer listed as Post-Grunge, which makes a lot more sense.

oh, and i know it's a silly thing to mention, but i'm still just not sure about fugazi being called emo. i think they're more punk than that.

Again, I was going off of allmusic, but it was validated by someone really into Emocore I talked to on another website. Emocore was virtually indistinguishable from regular Hardcore or Post-Hardcore except for the lyrics. Supposedly, even the new bands that people started calling 'Screamo' a couple years ago are much lighter compared to the original stuff, although it is much closer to it musically than the typical 'Emo' band. I wouldn't really know, as I don't really care for Screamo and I've just started getting into Emocore.

I'm not really into Fugazi anyway. I do like "Waiting Room", though.

 

[WhenFinallySetFree777]

I've actually seen Eve 6 referred to as Emo on this board, which isn't even close.

That makes me want to vomit profusely.

 

[the_buddy]

That makes me want to vomit profusely.

ha ha ha same here same here it also makes me wanna sleep

 

[JaelWasWickedCool]

I was going off of allmusic's description there. I consider Weezer more Post-Grunge than anything, but I'd say they at least had a little bit of a hand in shaping the sound of later bands that would infuse it with Pop-Punk. I'm guessing that's how allmusic classify them also, since they also have Weezer listed as Post-Grunge, which makes a lot more sense.


Again, I was going off of allmusic, but it was validated by someone really into Emocore I talked to on another website. Emocore was virtually indistinguishable from regular Hardcore or Post-Hardcore except for the lyrics. Supposedly, even the new bands that people started calling 'Screamo' a couple years ago are much lighter compared to the original stuff, although it is much closer to it musically than the typical 'Emo' band. I wouldn't really know, as I don't really care for Screamo and I've just started getting into Emocore.

I'm not really into Fugazi anyway. I do like "Waiting Room", though.

oh okay, that makes sense (that you were using allmusic as a reference, that is). i thought the tone of the explanation of emo was a little formal, and now i know why!

allmusic generally is somewhere around the right idea, as far as categorizing specific bands, but sometimes they don't quite make sense. (& their recommendations of similar bands are mostly always pretty bad, i think.)

 

[Qyöt27]

oh okay, that makes sense (that you were using allmusic as a reference, that is). i thought the tone of the explanation of emo was a little formal, and now i know why!

allmusic generally is somewhere around the right idea, as far as categorizing specific bands, but sometimes they don't quite make sense. (& their recommendations of similar bands are mostly always pretty bad, i think.)

Yeah, sometimes they are kind of screwy about where they classify bands (there are some genres I listen to that they don't even list or just lump in with some other type without distinguishing, when the difference is significant enough to at least warrant a footnote). Of course, the tone of the explanation could just be because of the way I talk normally.

I've noticed they have a tendency to lump bands into any and all categories they possibly could be perceived as, whether or not they actually technically play that style or not. In reference to Fugazi, the entry doesn't list them as Emo (I think; I forget things quickly), although it is mentioned in article.

And scratch that thing about the person on the other website I talked to; I just rechecked that post/rant (I forgot quite a few of the points they made, actually), and they just mentioned ex-members of Minor Threat, and Rites Of Spring being an emotive hardcore band, which essentially is what Emocore is; I must've grouped Fugazi in there because of allmusic and the relation to Rites Of Spring. If you want to read that post/rant, I can PM you the link, but I won't post it in here because that board doesn't have censoring and there is a good amount of language used in the responses.

 

[JaelWasWickedCool]

Of course, the tone of the explanation could just be because of the way I talk normally.

haha, i suppose so. i guess i assumed that you copied and pasted from allmusic when you said you got your info from there, but maybe i was wrong about that! i'd prefer to think i was right though, because being right is more fun.

If you want to read that post/rant, I can PM you the link, but I won't post it in here because that board doesn't have censoring and there is a good amount of language used in the responses.

thanks, but that's quite alright. i can only stand so much ranting about the definition of emo. i've probably already read more than my fair share on the topic.

 

[the_buddy]

emo hurts