Emo and Indie

[nadroj1985]

indie, imo, is a joke. Not the actual music, but the idea. i know alot of people who like "indie". basically, they like music if it is underground, and the like it because it's underground. Kids who are into indie will be insulted if you have heard of their favorite band. they want it to stay off mtv, off the radio, and away from everyone else. Indie doesn't have to have a particular sound, but whatever it is, it better not get popular. My friends who are into Indie music, scoff at the bands i like, (dmb, phish, radiohead, pink floyd, zeppelin, incubus). If a band (like the beatles, for instance) get's REALLY popular, it's probably because they have some talent. If 100,000 people show up in central park to watch DMB, it's probably because they can rock. If thousands and thousands of people from all over the country come out to phish's festivals, it's probably because they have talent.

I agree with you that the whole idea of "if it's popular, it sucks" is silly. But I wouldn't say that a lot of people liking some band says anything at all about how good they are. I've seen enough bands that I can't stand with thousands of fans to think otherwise.

Just because you're a household name doesn't mean you don't have talent, or you've sold out.

That's true, IMO. But there is some sense to the sell-out idea; it happens very often that bands change their music when they become popular, in order to appeal to a larger audience. A lot of times, from my perspective, that leads to music I don't like as much. That's what I would term "selling out."

 

[theFijian]

That's true, IMO. But there is some sense to the sell-out idea; it happens very often that bands change their music when they become popular, in order to appeal to a larger audience. A lot of times, from my perspective, that leads to music I don't like as much. That's what I would term "selling out."

There was a thread on selling out before, started by yours truly.

 

[stonetoflesh]

Nice definitions, Qyot... It seems that "Indie" is the new "alternative"; "alternative" was originally what? An "alternative" to mainstream pop? As alternative became assimilated into the mainstream, it remained "alternative" even though it really wasn't anymore. What happens in down the road if/when "indie" sounds move further and further into mainstream popularity and more "indie" sounding bands are signed by major labels? (I shudder to think of what that entails; I see more than enough mesh trucker hats and too-tight, ironically-themed "vintage" t-shirts as it is...)

 

[EMOPUNKLOSER]

hell yeah! emo, TBS, MATCHBOOK ROMANCE, MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE, GREEN DAY, lol just to name a few emo is what makes the world go round

 

[TheDandyMan]

The most independent of all bands is godspeed you black emperor!.

And starflyer 59 is one of the most prolific unproflic bands you've never but should have heard about.

 

[theFijian]

The most independent of all bands is godspeed you black emperor!.

What makes them the definitive independent band over someone like, for example, Fugazi?

 

[twosteppin]

poping in with a little story....

...My brothers friend and I are talking, he made a comment that he saw MM's "Good news for people who love bad news" in my cd pile. I said, I really enjoyed listening to it. He said, "yeah I liked them, but now they are popular, and people listen to them. thats annoying"
It took everything I had not to laugh out loud.

 

[TheDandyMan]

What makes them the definitive independent band over someone like, for example, Fugazi?

They do not make any paraphenellia aside from CDs.

How about: In my opinion, godspeed you black emperor! is the most independent of all bands.

 

[the_buddy]

Emo Hurts ha ha ha ha.........................i have this compilation by copper press who had some GREAT GREAT GREAT and very little not so great "Indie" bands on there, My Favirote is Step Softly,Ghost...................the drummers cymbal work is so beautiful, and the vocals, bass and guitarist aint that bad either .............












"If it takes (censored) to make bliss well i feel pretty blisfully"-Modest mouse

 

[twosteppin]

""If it takes (censored) to make bliss well i feel pretty blisfully"-Modest mouse"

thats a great song

 

[kingzjewel]

i hate confusing music classifications!!!!

 

[the_buddy]

thats a great song

oh yah that is a great song, so is the world at large, its my fav.

 

[AlecEiffel]

They do not make any paraphenellia aside from CDs.

How about: In my opinion, godspeed you black emperor! is the most independent of all bands.

Fugazi only puts out albums as well. GYBE is great, just pointing that out.

 

[DMBfanLongliveStrongBad!]

i agree with you nadroj, there are alot of popular bands that suck. and i do think that some bands "sell out". but i think alot of bands are said to have "sold out" when they have just changed. when incubus went from their science cd to their cd Make Yourself, alot of people said they sold. that band has been through alot of changes over the years, and they've all been cool. looking back, i wouldn't have wanted them to put out 4 more albums just like fungus, or science, although those were cool.

 

[the_buddy]

i guess a true fan would stick with there band even if they are "sell outs"

 

[nadroj1985]

i agree with you nadroj, there are alot of popular bands that suck. and i do think that some bands "sell out". but i think alot of bands are said to have "sold out" when they have just changed. when incubus went from their science cd to their cd Make Yourself, alot of people said they sold. that band has been through alot of changes over the years, and they've all been cool. looking back, i wouldn't have wanted them to put out 4 more albums just like fungus, or science, although those were cool.

Yeah, I agree with all that. "Selling out" is definitely an overused phrase; therein lies the problem.

i guess a true fan would stick with there band even if they are "sell outs"

I guess I'm not a true fan, then. I'll only stick with a band as long as they're making music I like.

 

[Arnold_Philips]

Coil and Throbbing Gristle and Current93 and all those are pretty indie... more obscure and prolific, but sticking to the "indie" ideology very well

And GYBE! are great. I saw them a couple years ago and this crazy guy was dancing to it. He was swaying, holding onto a pillar. It was weird.

 

[Qyöt27]

Coil and Throbbing Gristle and Current93 and all those are pretty indie... more obscure and prolific, but sticking to the "indie" ideology very well

Yeah, I can vouch for that. Throbbing Gristle, the first Industrial band (and the ones responsible for the name of the genre itself). Even though the two songs I've heard from them are from their albums in like '80 and '81.

 

[absolutely_lost_86]

killers are awesome

 

[the_buddy]

killers are awesome

i've never heard them, what band do are they kind of like?