'Emergency' need for exorcists after surge in people dabbling in Satanism and black magic

[Ken Behrens]

I've always understood the common meaning of occult to be Satan's system of diverting the use of the spiritual gifts, such as those in I Cor. 12, in order to get people farther from God. So it includes any system of attempting to communicate with the world, or to control it by means that operate without some kind of reasonable natural cause you can manipulate directly. The definition gets touchy though, since magicians (warlocks, witches, etc.) often claim that spell-casting is a science. Also, science fiction writers have observed that any sufficiently advanced system of technology is indistinguishable to the untrained from magic.

As safer definition for Christians, I suppose, is it is any system attempting to communicate with or control, non-physical reality in order to better manage the physical, other than that which is specifically given by the Holy Spirit. The difference can be judged by the fruit in the individual's life.

Technically, of course, it also means hidden, as when doctors speak of "occult blood" meaning "blood of unknown origin".

 

[Samolub]

Catholic priests listen demons as revealed truth, and they like to manipulate people

Catholic exorcisms are performed badly

also need people with the gift of discernment of spirits which muscled find needy

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

I've always understood the common meaning of occult to be Satan's system of diverting the use of the spiritual gifts, such as those in I Cor. 12, in order to get people farther from God. So it includes any system of attempting to communicate with the world, or to control it by means that operate without some kind of reasonable natural cause you can manipulate directly. The definition gets touchy though, since magicians (warlocks, witches, etc.) often claim that spell-casting is a science. Also, science fiction writers have observed that any sufficiently advanced system of technology is indistinguishable to the untrained from magic.

As safer definition for Christians, I suppose, is it is any system attempting to communicate with or control, non-physical reality in order to better manage the physical, other than that which is specifically given by the Holy Spirit. The difference can be judged by the fruit in the individual's life.

Technically, of course, it also means hidden, as when doctors speak of "occult blood" meaning "blood of unknown origin".

Wasn't it the former Pope Benedict that reinstated the Order of St.Michael for just this reason? To seek out Satan and exorcise him wherever he was in the world? I just saw this post and I'll look for the article archives online and see if I got that right.
Anyone remember that in the meantime?

 

[Ken Behrens]

Wasn't it the former Pope Benedict that reinstated the Order of St.Michael for just this reason? To seek out Satan and exorcise him wherever he was in the world? I just saw this post and I'll look for the article archives online and see if I got that right.
Anyone remember that in the meantime?

I checked this pretty thoroughly, and as far as I can tell, it does not violate site rules about posting of exorcisms. No specific instructions for exorcisms are given, and no exorcism is shown.
http://orderofexorcists.weebly.com/

 

[Uncle Tommy]

I checked this pretty thoroughly, and as far as I can tell, it does not violate site rules about posting of exorcisms. No specific instructions for exorcisms are given, and no exorcism is shown.
http://orderofexorcists.weebly.com/

This fella's an Old Catholic and from what I am told by a third party is very knowledgeable about the subject.

 

[aieyiamfu]

Practicing magic using the occult (hidden, mystery) is strictly forbidden in the Old and New Testaments. What we know of God is not from the occult but from the revelation of God in nature (Romans 1:18-22) and in Christ (Hebrews 1:1-3). The occult is hidden knowledge, the gospel is knowledge revealed to anyone who has eyes to see. Very big difference.

So if someone has no eyes to see it, it would be hidden.

 

[aieyiamfu]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-exorcists-as-increasing-number-of-people-da/

It seems the spiritual war continues to intensify.

Are exorcisms biblical.

 

[mark kennedy]

So if someone has no eyes to see it, it would be hidden.

None so blind as those who will not see, God has shown them:

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. (Rom. 1:18,19)
​

When the Serpent temps Eve he lures her in with a promise of a kind of wisdom he insinuates God is hiding from them. This wisdom, the knowledge of good and evil is the occult, the revelation of God in Christ is a wisdom God gives us freely and without reservation except for one condition:

This is not the wisdom that comes down from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. (James 3:15)
​

There is a difference.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[chevyontheriver]

Wasn't it the former Pope Benedict that reinstated the Order of St.Michael for just this reason? To seek out Satan and exorcise him wherever he was in the world? I just saw this post and I'll look for the article archives online and see if I got that right.
Anyone remember that in the meantime?

I think you intended 'the prayer to St. Michael'. Benedict spoke of that. He recommended the prayer which was a fixture of older Catholic devotion.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

I think you intended 'the prayer to St. Michael'. Benedict spoke of that. He recommended the prayer which was a fixture of older Catholic devotion.

It was an order as I recall, as in, The Order of St.Michael. An order of priests anointed or appointed to route out the Devil wherever he hides.

I'll see if I can find the article. It was many years ago during Benedict's term.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

OK looking quickly I found this. It's the Daily Mail so be advised of that first off.
Pope's exorcist squads will wage war on Satan
By NICK PISA
Last updated at 16:34 29 December 2007

There's this also:
Inside the Exorcist Group That's Won the Vatican's Blessing


But that's not talking about the order I first spoke of. I could swear it was called the order of St.Michael, after the prayer. A group of exorcist appointed by the Vatican and under Benedict. I remember the article I'd read said they were anointed and dedicated to seek out the Devil wherever he hides and rid the world of his influence.
The reinstatement of the prayer of St.Michael was part of that reporting too so you're right there.

I'll look elsewhere when I've had more sleep.

 

[chevyontheriver]

OK looking quickly I found this. It's the Daily Mail so be advised of that first off.
Pope's exorcist squads will wage war on Satan
By NICK PISA
Last updated at 16:34 29 December 2007

Pope Benedict reminded bishops that they were supposed to have exorcists in each diocese. That was an old old requirement that sometimes was ignored by bishops who thought it was all psychological. But of course it's not all psychological. In this story pope Benedict also encouraged the prayer to St. Michael.

There's this also:
Inside the Exorcist Group That's Won the Vatican's Blessing


But that's not talking about the order I first spoke of. I could swear it was called the order of St.Michael, after the prayer. A group of exorcist appointed by the Vatican and under Benedict. I remember the article I'd read said they were anointed and dedicated to seek out the Devil wherever he hides and rid the world of his influence.
The reinstatement of the prayer of St.Michael was part of that reporting too so you're right there.

I'll look elsewhere when I've had more sleep.

There was a defunct group called the Order of St. Michael but it didn't seem to have much to do with exorcism. And there is some Anglican group that uses the name. And what looks to be a crackpot group called The Order of Exorcists. They 'appear' at first blush to be Catholic but I think they are pretenders. If you want/need a real exorcist I wouldn't go to them. I'd find a holy priest and ask him to get you in contact with who you need. Real exorcists don't trumpet it about so much. You won't find them advertising. Gabriel Amorth was the real thing, as public as he was, because he had important information to get out. But the work of an exorcist who does major exorcism is not a public thing. You probably wouldn't know if your parish priest was an exorcist.

 

[Ken Behrens]

This fella's an Old Catholic and from what I am told by a third party is very knowledgeable about the subject.

I agree completely. I just find the approach interesting, and unlike anything I have seen from Catholics in the past. I am not in any way criticizing; it's almost refreshing. When I look at the new website, I keep hearing the song in my head: "Is there something strange in your neighborhood...who you gonna call..." Even the insignia looks like a steal from the Ghostbusters insignia.

 

[Far Side Of the Moon]

I'm sooo not surprised and what's more, they're trying to implement after school with Satan programs for elementary students? Like what? And in henrey county in GA you cant have a bible in the school or wear Christian paraphernalia...

Its crazy

 

[Uncle Tommy]

I'm sooo not surprised and what's more, they're trying to implement after school with Satan programs for elementary students? Like what? And in henrey county in GA you cant have a bible in the school or wear Christian paraphernalia...

Its crazy

The children can carry Bibles and wear Christian paraphernalia. Teachers may not have Christian paraphernalia on their desks but they can wear crosses or Star of David necklaces. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/par...ing-religious-symbols-in-classrooms/453414414

 

[Daryl Gleason]

Are exorcisms biblical.

Are you asking this as a question? If so, it looks as though your question may have been overlooked.

Yes, while I've never seen the words "exorcise" or "exorcism" in any version of the Bible I've read, there are many accounts in the gospels where Jesus cast out demons. He even told his disciples to do it when sending them off to neighboring towns (Matthew 10:1 and Matthew 10:8).

While any Christian with the holy spirit today has the authority to cast out demons in the name of Jesus, I don't recommend trying this without specific inspiration and instruction from the holy spirit.

 

[2Timothy2:15]

Not competition. Reality. Catholic exorcists have merely had more "practice." They literally wrote the book on exorcism...

Pretty sure it was Jesus who "wrote the book" on "exorcism" or as some would call it casting out demons.

 

[2Timothy2:15]

The children can carry Bibles and wear Christian paraphernalia. Teachers may not have Christian paraphernalia on their desks but they can wear crosses or Star of David necklaces. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/par...ing-religious-symbols-in-classrooms/453414414

There is no power in praphernalia or the star of david which is found no where in scripture. Matter of fact the star of david is the star of Moloch....so many deceived yet the bible warns us about this exact star!


Amos 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.

Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

 

[Uncle Tommy]

There is no power in praphernalia or the star of david which is found no where in scripture. Matter of fact the star of david is the star of Moloch....so many deceived yet the bible warns us about this exact star!


Amos 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.

Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

I agree completely I was simply responding to another poster who gave misinformation about what is a current event.

 

[7trees]

The fact of demon possession often is used to deflect from the greater social fact of satanic inspiration; which is found in the White House and in the Kremlin and in every seat of power...