"Embedded Age" Requires Fake Fossils

[dad]

“Were the Gospels written by eyewitnesses as they claim, or were they written centuries later? The historical facts appear to make a strong case for a first century date.

Jesus' ministry was from A.D. 27-30. Noted New Testament scholar, F.F. Bruce, gives strong evidence that the New Testament was completed by A.D. 100.3 Most writings of the New Testament works were completed twenty to forty years before this. The Gospels are dated traditionally as follows: Mark is believed to be the first gospel written around A.D. 60. Matthew and Luke follow and are written between A.D. 60-70; John is the final gospel, written between A.D. 90-100.

The internal evidence supports these early dates for several reasons. The first three Gospels prophesied the fall of the Jerusalem Temple which occurred in A.D. 70. However, the fulfillment is not mentioned. It is strange that these three Gospels predict this major event but do not record it happening.

Good points.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

I wish this God would do something about the 9 million children that die each year before the age of five.

I wish that too! Nevertheless, I am willing to let God be God. If God were to perform a miracle in order to prevent every instance of suffering, there would be no way of convincing the universe that the Devil must be destroyed. Every time a person decided to act against God’s rules, a miracle would take place and no harm would ever take place.

Our life would be pointless, because our actions would be controlled by an act of God. Love and personal responsibility would have no meaning. We would be automatons. Are you sure you want that kind of world?

 

[bhsmte]

I wish that too! Nevertheless, I am willing to let God be God. If God were to perform a miracle in order to prevent every instance of suffering, there would be no way of convincing the universe that the Devil must be destroyed. Every time a person decided to act against God’s rules, a miracle would take place and no harm would ever take place.

Our life would be pointless, because our actions would be controlled by an act of God. Love and personal responsibility would have no meaning. We would be automatons. Are you sure you want that kind of world?

And this is the same God that started your car, correct?

 

[Nic Samojluk]

Of the remaining kids that die, probably a lot of that is due to the sin of greed, where they starve while the rich gorge themselves...or have no basic medicines and water etc while the rich have sex change operations and liposuction etc..

Excellent reasoning! Perhaps we should start blaming the culprits instead of God.

 

[Loudmouth]

I wish that too! Nevertheless, I am willing to let God be God. If God were to perform a miracle in order to prevent every instance of suffering, there would be no way of convincing the universe that the Devil must be destroyed. Every time a person decided to act against God’s rules, a miracle would take place and no harm would ever take place.

IOW, God is indistinguishable from there being no God.

 

[bhsmte]

Excellent reasoning! Perhaps we should start blaming the culprits instead of God.

Sure, kill off the kids, because of the sins of others. Excellent reasoning.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

And this is the same God that started your car, correct?

What alternative explanation do you have for what happened? Nevertheless, as I wrote before, when I lost my two children, God did not perform a miracle to save me from the terrible agony that followed their demise. That experience with the car strengthened my faith in God’s providence.

The same can be said about the life of Jesus. He was protected on many occasions beginning with his birth, but said protection was removed when he was crucified. You need to consider the entire life of people instead of focusing on a single event.

 

[bhsmte]

What alternative explanation do you have for what happened? Nevertheless, as I wrote before, when I lost my two children, God did not perform a miracle to save me from the terrible agony that followed their demise. That experience with the car strengthened my faith in God’s providence.

The same can be said about the life of Jesus. He was protected on many occasions beginning with his birth, but said protection was removed when he was crucified. You need to consider the entire life of people instead of focusing on a single event.

A God that lets millions of children die in agony, but is willing to start cars, is not a good explanation.

If you can reconcile that, good for you.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

IOW, God is indistinguishable from there being no God.

Right now, sometimes it is hard to tell the difference, but when the time comes to face our Maker, the contrast will be like day and night.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

Sure, kill off the kids, because of the sins of others. Excellent reasoning.

Killing children, born or unborn is wrong. The question is: Who is responsible for their untimely death, and what are you and me doing to protect them?

 

[bhsmte]

Killing children, born or unborn is wrong. The question is: Who is responsible for their untimely death, and what are you and me doing to protect them?

The sin of others, is not a legitimate excuse. It's a good thing, our society doesn't punish others for the wrong doing of others, or we would live in a chaotic world.

But, you can't explain how your car started, so you assign God, but excuse the millions of children who die each year because; hey, that's just the way it goes.

The psychological gymnastics one must go through to reconcile this, is really amazing.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

A God that lets millions of children die in agony, but is willing to start cars, is not a good explanation.

I did not say that God started the car. You are the one making said conclusion. What do you thing happened? Was it a coincidence? Two car mechanics testified that when the timing of a car is broken, there is no way to start a car.

If you were God, would you perform a miracle to avoid all kinds of suffering and all kind of deaths? What kind of world would we have? Would there be room for building character and experience love, integrity, and responsibility?

 

[bhsmte]

I did not say that God started the car. You are the one making said conclusion. What do you thing happened? Was it a coincidence? Two car mechanics testified that when the timing of a car is broken, there is no way to start a car.

If you were God, would you perform a miracle to avoid all kinds of suffering and all kind of deaths? What kind of world would we have? Would there be room for building character and experience love, integrity, and responsibility?

Did you not say; "what other explanation do you have for your car starting"?

What exactly did you mean by this?

And in response to your last paragraph, it just reinforces to me, the likelihood this God does not exist.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

But, you can't explain how your car started, so you assign God, but excuse the millions of children who die each year because; hey, that's just the way it goes.

I am asking you for the third or fourth time: What made the car run until we got home, when it was evident that the timing was broken? Why do you keep avoiding my repeated questions?

I need also to correct you on your claim that I excuse the deaths of children. I explained to you why God does not prevent every instance of suffering and death. If you were God, would you interfere with every free action of people?

Why do you keep avoiding my questions?

 

[RickG]

Would it be asking too much to get back on topic?

 

[bhsmte]

I am asking you for the third or fourth time: What made the car run until we got home, when it was evident that the timing was broken? Why do you keep avoiding my repeated questions?

I need also to correct you on your claim that I excuse the deaths of children. I explained to you why God does not prevent every instance of suffering and death. If you were God, would you interfere with every free action of people?

Why do you keep avoiding my questions?

I can't speak to the circumstances around your car and can only go off of your personal recollections and I have no first hand knowledge.

So you tell me, what do you attribute to your car starting and running when you claim the timing was broken?

 

[Loudmouth]

What alternative explanation do you have for what happened?

Leprechauns, Zeus, Fairies, Brownies, Ghosts, and so on. They all seem to have equal explanatory power, as in none.

If I only counted the times I won at Blackjack, could I claim divine providence?

 

[JasonClark]

Yet the biggest religion or one of them exists because that was proven false.

By whom? believers, if there was any truth in any of the religious claims anywhere in the world you would not need faith, but sadly you still do,
everything must be taken on faith because there is absolutely nothing to any of the stories anywhere, they tell you there is but there's not,
you believe them if it makes you feel better but that's all it's ever going to do for you, make you feel better.

 

[Loudmouth]

Would it be asking too much to get back on topic?

That would be fine with me, since I am guilty of starting the thread.

The opening post still stands:

Some creationists make the claim that God created the Earth with maturity or embedded age during the initial creation of the Earth which is why rocks appear to be millions to billions of years old when measured with radiometric dating. The problem is that this requires God to put fake fossils in the ground.

1. When a T. rex or other large animal dies, it doesn't dig through hundreds of feet of solid basalt rock and make a fossil.

2. Therefore, any lava flows found above a fossil had to occur AFTER the organism died.

3. Lava flows found above fossils date to millions of years old which creationists claim were created during the initial creation of the Earth.
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[Nic Samojluk]

And in response to your last paragraph, it just reinforces to me, the likelihood this God does not exist.

I conclude that if you were God you would not allow for freedom and responsibility. You would interfere with free choices and their natural consequences. You would be an absolute despot, and the entire universe would revolt against your rule.