"Embedded Age" Requires Fake Fossils

[bhsmte]

So, when Christians in the Middle East are being killed or driven from their homes by the Islamic State, and praying to God for help, he ignores them. When your wife prays to God to make your Oldsmobile start, he grants her prayer. Is that what you are saying?

God loves Oldsmobiles.

 

[Doveaman]

As I have already pointed out (post 955 and post 1122), the authors of this paper accept the expansion of the universe; what they are doing is pointing out the errors in the popular treatment of the expansion, and insisting on the necessity of a general relativistic treatment of it.

The only expansion known to produce redshift is Doppler expansion.

Empty space-expansion is assumed because of what appears to be anomalous (faster than light) redshift.

If you can provide either a proper refutation of the hypothesis of dark energy or an alternative scientific hypothesis that can explain the evidence that has led scientists to accept the existence of dark energy, then I shall accept what you say.

The only evidence there is to explain is redshift.

http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0401420

 

[Nic Samojluk]

I guarantee you that when I look at the natural world I am seeing more than you are.

Yes, you see the design, but you fail to connect the dots to the one who is responsible for what you see.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

I don't have a religion, and you don't have an invisible, supernatural friend.

I did provide you the evidence.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

The word 'theory' is a very good case in point which has a very different scientific meaning to everyday language and dictionary definitions.

A person who has not been trained as a scientist should not be held to a standard he is not used to. What I said was perfectly intelligible. I have a Master’s and almost two Ph.D. degrees, but they are not in science. I am also the author of two books, but they are not in science either. I resent being forced to a mold I do not respect, especially when dealing with evolution.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

So, when Christians in the Middle East are being killed or driven from their homes by the Islamic State, and praying to God for help, he ignores them.

Read the story of Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane. He asked God to deliver him from the cruel treatment his enemies were planning for him, but he added: “Your will be done.” Can you explain this to me? Did not Jesus predict that his followers would be killed as martyrs?

Throughout his life, Jesus was protected from danger until he completed his mission on earth. Then the time came to suffer for God’s cause. If God were to intervene on behalf of his followers in every instance, the character of the Devil would never be revealed to the world and to the universe!

 

[crjmurray]

A person who has not been trained as a scientist should not be held to a standard he is not used to. What I said was perfectly intelligible. I have a Master’s and almost two Ph.D. degrees, but they are not in science. I am also the author of two books, but they are not in science either. I resent being forced to a mold I do not respect, especially when dealing with evolution.

If you're discussing science then it is expected that you use the jargon correctly. It is understandable that your degree in theology or your MA in English or your PhD in philosophy would not have prepared you for scientific discourse but try to keep up!

 

[Nic Samojluk]

When your wife prays to God to make your Oldsmobile start, he grants her prayer. Is that what you are saying?

Yes. Nevertheless, I can explain to you why God performed this miracle for us. It was to prepare us for what was to come later on. God needed to build our faith in him that we might not falter when we suffered the most terrible loss parents can experience: the loss of our two children—to a car accident in the case of our daughter, and to a massive stroke in the case of our son. I hope this helps!

 

[Nic Samojluk]

God loves Oldsmobiles.

Is this how John 3:16 reads? Jesus did not die in order to save cars from the wrecking ball!

 

[Nic Samojluk]

If you're discussing science then it is expected that you use the jargon correctly.

If a visitor enters my church, I will not shame him for not wearing church clothes. BTW, the difference between the common and the scientific meaning of theory I have known since my academy days. You don’t need to teach me what I already know. I am not planning to abide by your requirements! I have a strong dislike for the term “theory” when used in connection with evolution.

 

[crjmurray]

If a visitor enters my church, I will not shame him for not wearing church clothes. BTW, the difference between the common and the scientific meaning of theory I have known since my academy days. You don’t need to teach me what I already know. I am not planning to abide by your requirements! I have a strong dislike for the term “theory” when used in connection with evolution.

If you don't want to be taken seriously that's not my problem.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

Do you actually think a statement like this works on those who are non believers?

It has in many cases, but not on most. This is why Jesus stated that most people prefer the wide road, the one that leads to eternal loss.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

To some, it isn't about what one loses when life is over, it is about how honest they were with themselves while they lived.

There is some truth in what you said; nevertheless, there is the element of deception.

If I honestly believe that I am on the right way of the road, and see a sign which reads “Wrong way. Do not enter,” and ignore the warning, I may collide with another car moving in the opposite direction.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

Manufactured fear may work for some, but not all.

Correct! But do not forget that those signs reading “WRONG WAY” were manufactured for a purpose: to save lives.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

So, if you are banking on no further discoveries, good luck.

Further discoveries? Yes. The discovery of the origin of life? I don’t think so! The same applies to the discovery of the origin of the DNA.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

Will you respond with a yawn when Yikataa returns to gather his flock?

Sorry, the term Yikataa is not in my dictionary!

 

[Nic Samojluk]

We will all lose the one and only thing we have, life, because there is nothing else.

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Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on them. [John 3:36]

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To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. [Romans 2:7]

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Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. [John 17:3]

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

What evidence?

Empty space-expansion is assumed, and dark-energy is assumed because empty space-expansion is assumed. The only evidence you have is redshift, which can be explained without the need for empty space-expansion or dark-energy.

http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0401420

The current understanding will stand because it's an ideology, not science.

As has been pointed out repeatedly, plasma red shifting is different from doppler red shifting; it is betrayed by having differing shifts according to the frequency. Only doppler shifting shifts all the frequencies at once.

But it is not necessary to consider space itself to be expanding. We can consider, instead, the receding galaxies limited to the speed of light and having their extreme red shifts augmented by the slowing of time the galaxies experience as they move faster away from us. It is an alternate understanding that results in exactly the same observations and if you don't like the expanding space idea you can take the special relativity effects idea instead.

If you are interested in exploring the idea I just shared above, you can go to this website page

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmo_02.htm

and you can see the discussion there of the alternate ways of viewing the expansion of the universe. It is regrettable that aspects of the two ways of viewing the expansion have been conflated from time to time in an inconsistent manner.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

If you don't want to be taken seriously that's not my problem.

Evolutionists have accumulated a lot of nonsense and call this a SCIENTIFIC THEORY. I am not impressed. Tell me where life came from! If you can’t, then please be a little bit more humble and do not shame visitors for refusing to use your specialized language.

 

[crjmurray]

Evolutionists have accumulated a lot of nonsense and call this a SCIENTIFIC THEORY. I am not impressed. Tell me where life came from! If you can’t, then please be a little bit more humble and do not shame visitors for refusing to use your deceptive language.

It is not "deceptive language". It is accepted terminology. In my profession, " robbed" and "burgled" are two completely different things. But the average person often uses the word "robbed" for any instance where they have been stolen from. If an investigator were to go around using the word "robbed" to refer to a home burglary or an automobile break in they would be laughed at. If you want to partake in a discussion concerning a specific field, you should be prepared to use the accepted terms.

Now to circle around to the beginning of your post, evolution does not deal with where life came from. It deals with biological diversity. You might as well deny gravity theory or germ theory on the same grounds since neither of them deal with the beginning of life.