Ellen White on the Sabbath

[Elder 111]

He rested from all His work.. The command of keeping the day for man was given to Moses. This is where the commandments come from. The letter of the law. Which we are not obligated to if we are in Christ and He is in Us. For He has fulfilled the law nailing it to the cross. Now we have a new and better way. No longer the law but the Spirit of God that dwells in His people and we who believe now rest in Him from doing works of the law.. This is the true sabbath of Christians.. Resting from all our works for by works none are justified. Only through Christ and Him alone is anyone justified.

How is resting on the Sabbath works? How can not working be works? Does rest equal work?

 

[MoreCoffee]

O! He worked so hard that He needed rest? What does Jesus mean when He said that Sabbath was made for man? Do you supersede Jesus? Mark 2:27

Mark 2:27-28 says:

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. (Mark 2:27-28)
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There's no room in those words for making 7th day observance a duty for Christians; nope, none at all!

 

[Elder 111]

So then you are NOT saying that those practicing worship on the 1st day as the Apostles instructed the Church when He returns will receive the Mark of the Beast? This is what Ellen taught...so maybe I am missing something...

Paul

None of apostle ever instructed the keeping of the first day of the week!

 

[MoreCoffee]

How is resting on the Sabbath works? How can not working be works? Does rest equal work?

Well, what if one decides to rest by eating some bacon and eggs for breakfast, then having some barbecued shrimp and salad for lunch, then having a nice tasty restaurant meal with main course consisting of Lobster and potatoes in a lovely creamy sauce? Would that be a good way to rest on the 7th day for an observant SDA?

 

[MoreCoffee]

None of apostle ever instructed the keeping of the first day of the week!

You get so caught up with commandments!

 

[Elder 111]

God did sanctify the day he rested in Genesis 2:3 where it says “And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.” and the commandment in Exodus 20:11 also says “And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.” But there is no commandment to keep the 7th day until Moses and Israel were at the foot of Mt. Sinai. And the commandments themselves explain that the law is given to Israel in Exodus 20:2 saying “I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.” Thus the commandments and the law are given to Israel.

Romans 5:12-17 explains that there was no law before Moses and I think that is a very clear indication that 7th day keeping was not a law that anybody was commanded to observe before Moses. The passage says:

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) (Romans 5:12-17)
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What more need be said. Paul did not think that Cain or Able or Noah or any of the patriarchs kept the 7th day otherwise he would not have said that there was no law until Moses.

God keep you as free from pain as possible, mmksparbud, God bless and grant you peaceful sleep.

Paul made the point that you have highlighted that there was sin. Paul have also made the point that where there is no law there is no sin. Rom. 4: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
So did Paul mean that God had no law or that it was not written on stone?

 

[Elder 111]

Elder111 in post #544:
"When you and Albert Barnes finish, God did not in any way even hint of Sunday being a religious day of any sort. There is absolutely no tie to Sunday as the Lord's day, NONE.
Is Friday the devil's day because Jesus died on that day? Or victory day because He purged our sins on that day? The only think Jesus instituted in connection with the whole event was the bred and wine, the last supper. NOTHING ELSE!"


Apparently you don't believe what John the Revelator said in Revelation 1:10.
I posted John Gill's commentary and Matthew Henry's commentary on that passage so that you would know what Protestants make of it.

As nearly as I can follow your argument, Christ did not command Sunday worship in the Gospels, and the later testimony of the Apostles apparently doesn't count. Likewise, the practice of the Apostles doesn't count either.

Does it occur to you that everything that passed between Christ and the Apostles after the Resurrection isn't written down? If the Apostles later treated Sunday as the Lord's Day, then Christ authorized it. If the Apostles had been wrong about this, the Holy Spirit would have led them on this subject.

The Bible says that John worshipped on Sunday, the Lord's Day.
If you don't believe the Bible, I can't help you.



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That the whole point the Lord's day is not Sunday but Sabbath.

 

[Elder 111]

Well, what if one decides to rest by eating some bacon and eggs for breakfast, then having some barbecued shrimp and salad for lunch, then having a nice tasty restaurant meal with main course consisting of Lobster and potatoes in a lovely creamy sauce? Would that be a good way to rest on the 7th day for an observant SDA?

How does that answer the question? Try again.

 

[Elder 111]

You get so caught up with commandments!

Once it is of God. Or should I obey men?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Paul made the point that you have highlighted that there was sin. Paul have also made the point that where there is no law there is no sin. Rom. 4: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

So did Paul mean that God had no law or that it was not written on stone?

You've left out the correct interpretation; specifically, that there was no law given by God to human beings until Moses. This is sufficient to set aside the claims by SDAs that the 7th day was observed as a commandment from Adam to Moses. Obviously it was not.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Once it is of God. Or should I obey men?

You are obeying men, you follow what men have taught you about 7th day observance in spite of what God inspired Paul and others to write. The law is old and gone. It was a shadow of the good things to come. But you appear to want to be under the law again. Paul said that was returning to the flesh after having begun in the Spirit. You need to stop it.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Well, what if one decides to rest by eating some bacon and eggs for breakfast, then having some barbecued shrimp and salad for lunch, then having a nice tasty restaurant meal with main course consisting of Lobster and potatoes in a lovely creamy sauce? Would that be a good way to rest on the 7th day for an observant SDA?

How does that answer the question? Try again.

It answers the question very well. Very well indeed. Because SDAs do not merely want 7th day observance but they also want dietary laws too. So while one is resting on the 7th day is it okay, in your religion, to have those delicious meals I mentioned?

 

[Elder 111]

You've left out the correct interpretation; specifically, that there was no law given by God to human beings until Moses. This is sufficient to set aside the claims by SDAs that the 7th day was observed as a commandment from Adam to Moses. Obviously it was not.

So How could God charge Cain? How could God have condemned those before the Flood? How could God have destroy Sodom? Why did kings think it evil to take Abraham wife? Explain these things if there were no law against them!

 

[MoreCoffee]

That the whole point the Lord's day is not Sunday but Sabbath.

Historically "the Lord's day" is the day of Christ's resurrection, the day on which the Holy Spirit was given, the day on which Christians gathered to worship God and receive communion. We have the testimony of the early church for that. That day is the first day of the week and not the 7th day. It is Sunday, not Saturday.

 

[Elder 111]

You are obeying men, you follow what men have taught you about 7th day observance in spite of what God inspired Paul and others to write. The law is old and gone. It was a shadow of the good things to come. But you appear to want to be under the law again. Paul said that was returning to the flesh after having begun in the Spirit. You need to stop it.

You and all others condemn yourselves with your own words. You tell me "no law" and then tell me no stealing. Get it right. What is meant, if I may venture to do so, is that there is law but we don't want #4.

 

[Elder 111]

It answers the question very well. Very well indeed. Because SDAs do not merely want 7th day observance but they also want dietary laws too. So while one is resting on the 7th day is it okay, in your religion, to have those delicious means I mentioned?

I can rest from eating.

 

[MoreCoffee]

So How could God charge Cain? How could God have condemned those before the Flood? How could God have destroy Sodom? Why did kings think it evil to take Abraham wife? Explain these things if there were no law against them!

Read the context and you'll have the answer. God explained why Cain's offering was not acceptable and Cain's sin was to resent God's correction and then kill his brother out of jealousy.

Read the context and you'll have the answer. God condemned the people of the world before the flood because all of their thinking and doing was only evil all the time. God explained why he punished them with the flood. They did not repent when God told Noah to preach to them to change their ways and that a flood would come and sweep them all away.

Read the context and you'll have the answer. God caused Pharaoh's household to suffer once he took Sarai as wife because she was Abraham's wife. God explained it to Pharaoh.

If you want answers then read the passages in their context and you will see that the answers are right there in the stories that are told. There was no need for commandments when God was explaining what displeased him.

 

[Elder 111]

Historically "the Lord's day" is the day of Christ's resurrection, the day on which the Holy Spirit was given, the day on which Christians gathered to worship God and receive communion. We have the testimony of the early church for that. That day is the first day of the week and not the 7th day. It is Sunday, not Saturday.

The day before.

 

[MoreCoffee]

You and all others condemn yourselves with your own words. You tell me "no law" and then tell me no stealing. Get it right. What is meant, if I may venture to do so, is that there is law but we don't want #4.

Come on Elder 111! The "no law" statement came from Paul, he wrote it. You saw the passage where he wrote it. Stop playing the man rather than the teaching. Paul - an apostle of Christ - taught under inspiration from God that there was no law from Adam until Moses. It is there in black and white.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I can rest from eating.

Oh I see, tha't called a fast in the bible. Do you fast every 7th day?