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With Black men , Trump won a lot of votes by making key reforms to the criminal justice system which seems to discriminate against them. So they had good solid reasons to vote for Trump
Never heard about that. Can you give some details?

I did not articulate that very well. Antifa are rebels and I have experience of them here in Germany also burning cars and injuring policemen. They are a bunch of idiot rebels and they do not present a serious alternative to anything. Even regarding racism they probably only succeed in turning peoples backs up. The big geopolitical issues like the rise of China, immigration, global economics and health care in the age of Pandemics are not issues that they can be taken seriously on.
Antifa is no option for government, not a few of them are anarchists in the sense that they want a world without state and government altogether. So thinking of them as an "alternative" to a government is out of question, even from their perspective.

My house price is not deflated in the slightest by having some Turkish neighbours. But in the USA where the Black crime rate, drug usage, divorce rate and health issues are a degree higher than with white community. Unscrupulous businessmen will discriminate against less profitable clients. That is selfishness which helps to perpetuate racism.
You mean, he did not want black renters because other could rate his houses cheaper because of them?

Well he is about to find out that genes do not guarantee victory.
I suppose there is even another lecture to him. Trump got out of some difficult situations just by "chutzpah", answering accusations with counter-accusation, hiring the best lawyers (some of them defendants of mobsters) and going tom courts ... "Breaking" news on CNN: Trump is discontent with the performance of his legal team. He has to learn that there are limits to what a legal team can do.

Trump for all his faults did hold China to account for its abuses of the international trading system, stealing of intellectual property and spying.
But is style of "negotiating" is so much un-Asian that he did archive nothing but a trade-war which he did not win (the best that could be said is that he did not lose it).

I hope Biden is not too nice to carry on this good work. Of course he can fight for American interests without insulting everybody in the process. China is a rival not a friend though.
Yes, lets hope for the best.

China has turned into a sort of Neo-colonialist country, smaller states (even Greece to some extend) are the victims of that (though, as with "classic" colonialism, there are some benefits from the modernization included in the colonization). For bigger players, as USA or EU, China is a rival and should be treated as such.

In regard to doing Christianity, I think Europe is better.
As to "Europe", I think you don't mean countries like Bulgaria or Russia ... But even when we restrict to Western Europe or so, I find it difficult to come to an overall judgement. People tend to weight aspects differently, and most naturally the heavier weighted points are those that one tries to perform best. So, is pro-life and morality in questions of sexuality more or less important than social justice? As to God's view, Lk 12:47-48 must also taken into consideration. We should take care not to say anything like "Thanks God, we are the better guys".

They are a lot of good things enshrined in the quirkiness of the American electoral system including a protection of the balance between rural and city constituencies. The cities would dominate without that. Reform is probably impossible without breaking the good things also.
I spoke about Gerrymandering. This is no inherent feature of the system, it is twisting the system. I attach a screenshot from "Die Anstalt" (maybe you know this satiric magazine in the ZDF tv program). It shows six selected voting districts, which are a result of the "redmap" program.

One could set up rules, e.g. a voting district should be geographical connected and not spread around in pieces, or some mathematics on the ratio of area and (square of) border length, or widest and shorter "diameter" or so. Or try to bind voting boundaries to administrative boundaries as close as possible. This would reduce the amount of gerrymandering possible.
 

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Never heard about that. Can you give some details?

President Donald J. Trump Has Championed Reforms That Are Providing Hope to Forgotten Americans | The White House

You mean, he did not want black renters because other could rate his houses cheaper because of them?

No having black renters would in a racist culture drive down the prestige of the flats he was renting out and reduce the rents he could charge. Also statistically there would be more likelihood of a break of revenues due to crime, unemployment, relationship instability, and sickness. It was all about his bottom line.

I suppose there is even another lecture to him. Trump got out of some difficult situations just by "chutzpah", answering accusations with counter-accusation, hiring the best lawyers (some of them defendants of mobsters) and going tom courts ... "Breaking" news on CNN: Trump is discontent with the performance of his legal team. He has to learn that there are limits to what a legal team can do.


But is style of "negotiating" is so much un-Asian that he did archive nothing but a trade-war which he did not win (the best that could be said is that he did not lose it).

China was taking advantage, now it is being penalised when it does that. That is an improvement. This was a necessary increase in tensions. But it need not have included the insults that came with it.

China has turned into a sort of Neo-colonialist country, smaller states (even Greece to some extend) are the victims of that (though, as with "classic" colonialism, there are some benefits from the modernization included in the colonization). For bigger players, as USA or EU, China is a rival and should be treated as such.

Yes China is a rival. The Chinese model of influence is more to own people and to control key sectors. They are not territorial except over what they regard as traditional Chinese territories like Taiwan or where economic resources close to home are involved e.g. the South China Sea.

As to "Europe", I think you don't mean countries like Bulgaria or Russia ... But even when we restrict to Western Europe or so, I find it difficult to come to an overall judgement. People tend to weight aspects differently, and most naturally the heavier weighted points are those that one tries to perform best. So, is pro-life and morality in questions of sexuality more or less important than social justice? As to God's view, Lk 12:47-48 must also taken into consideration. We should take care not to say anything like "Thanks God, we are the better guys".

Germany has better standards of social justice, the lowest level of abortion in the developed world and a dynamic modern enterprise economy that is globally competitive on trade. The problem in Germany is individualism and secularism. In the USA they talk about God more and do much less.

I spoke about Gerrymandering. This is no inherent feature of the system, it is twisting the system. I attach a screenshot from "Die Anstalt" (maybe you know this satiric magazine in the ZDF tv program). It shows six selected voting districts, which are a result of the "redmap" program.

One could set up rules, e.g. a voting district should be geographical connected and not spread around in pieces, or some mathematics on the ratio of area and (square of) border length, or widest and shorter "diameter" or so. Or try to bind voting boundaries to administrative boundaries as close as possible. This would reduce the amount of gerrymandering possible.

In a republican state the Republicans draw the boundaries and vice versus with Democrat ones. There does need to be some kind of bipartisan Federal boundary commission to obtain the objectivity you are aiming for.
 
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This reads like an ad from the white house, given the trustworthiness of Trump I want independent evidence.

No having black renters would in a racist culture drive down the prestige of the flats he was renting out and reduce the rents he could charge. Also statistically there would be more likelihood of a break of revenues due to crime, unemployment, relationship instability, and sickness. It was all about his bottom line.
If you allow black renters at random, the "statistical" argument would be valid. Not if you only allow blacks that are not too poor to rent.

Yes China is a rival. The Chinese model of influence is more to own people and to control key sectors.
Therefore I sad Neo-colonialism. If you look into history, you will find that much of British colonialism startet not with expansion, but with trade. And colonialism didn't end with the colonies becoming independant.

Germany has better standards of social justice, the lowest level of abortion in the developed world
According to pro-life-movement, the official figures are lower than the reality. I remember a (rather old) article which pointed out that the health-care system in Bavaria gave money for about three times of the official figures for abortion.

In a republican state the Republicans draw the boundaries and vice versus with Democrat ones. There does need to be some kind of bipartisan Federal boundary commission to obtain the objectivity you are aiming for.
The redmap program surpassed anything the Democrats did. Whether this was only lack of opportunity (they failed to exploit the possibilities provided by the software used in redmap), or whether the Dems were really morally superior, I don't know.
 
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This reads like an ad from the white house, given the trustworthiness of Trump I want independent evidence.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...7533de-bb0f-11ea-86d5-3b9b3863273b_story.html


If you allow black renters at random, the "statistical" argument would be valid. Not if you only allow blacks that are not too poor to rent.

You are not thinking like an unscrupulous business man, in a racist culture, which might be why you are not getting this. If you brand your block of flats, which you are targeting to a high end market to maximize profits, as being white only, cause of the baggage that comes with a mixed or black branding, you make more money.

Therefore I sad Neo-colonialism. If you look into history, you will find that much of British colonialism startet not with expansion, but with trade. And colonialism didn't end with the colonies becoming independant.

It was a major discussion throughout the history of the Empire about what it was for e.g. the trial of Warren Hastings. Absolute Power v the Rights of Man. Empire, about Christian Civilisation, was generally better than the East India Company which was primarily about greed. But yes Gun Boat Diplomacy can reach far beyond policed borders and persist long after them.

According to pro-life-movement, the official figures are lower than the reality. I remember a (rather old) article which pointed out that the health-care system in Bavaria gave money for about three times of the official figures for abortion.

That sounds anecdotal, German stats are 6.1 v 19.6 per thousand in USA.

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The redmap program surpassed anything the Democrats did. Whether this was only lack of opportunity (they failed to exploit the possibilities provided by the software used in redmap), or whether the Dems were really morally superior, I don't know.

This is a bipartisan problem which I believe needs Federal level correction by a non partisan commission.

Gerrymandering in the United States - Wikipedia
 
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A quote from that:
But for civil rights analysts, what the First Step Act gives doesn’t make up for what Trump has taken away.

That was a bipartisan initiative, I don't know the context how this compromise was made and what the tactics of both sides were. And if you read what follows after the quote above (not just the next paragraph, but the list of legal actions that follows), you see it is unjust to credit the Trump administration with the benefits there.

If you brand your block of flats, which you are targeting to a high end market to maximize profits, as being white only, cause of the baggage that comes with a mixed or black branding, you make more money.
He could not brand it openly, because this was against the law. That was not the normal procedure when things like this were legal ...

Empire, about Christian Civilisation, was generally better than the East India Company which was primarily about greed.
East India Company was one example of what I meant by "trade, not expansion".

That sounds anecdotal, German stats are 6.1 v 19.6 per thousand in USA.
The numbers told at the last pro-life-march in Berlin (I attended to it) were higher than the official figures, too.

That helped to identify the source of the table in that TV show, and so I could see that at least one of them was drawn by Democrats. That was a lesson ;)
 
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