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No, I saw no judgment like that. But the reason I brought up legality is this: through my entire life, whenever I sought the services of a plumber, or a car mechanic, or an electrician, I've always dealt with a man. There's no reason a woman can't be a plumber, there probably are a few, but I've never heard of one. In your opinion, is this a "gender role", or is this just women having a natural instinct to choose to do other things?
I was thinking of the way that women tend to have cheaper car insurance because they drive more safely. Or, one might say, more prudently.
Not at all. The instructions the epistle writers give - for mutual love, mutual service, mutual edification, mutual submission - are universal. The particulars of how that worked in the ancient Greco-Roman world are, for obvious reasons, not
I'd say it's a lot more nuanced than that. It's about choosing to align oneself with the will, the vision, the goals, etc. of the other.
But you did see a gendered division of behaviour?
Probably more the former. From what I can find, women find it difficult to obtain apprenticeships, and if they do, they still face discrimination and bias. Interestingly, I have heard of at least one plumbing company that is all women; both in order to provide opportunities and training for women, and also to provide women plumbers to clients who might prefer not to have a man in the house.
Some interesting related trivia, and I apologize if you already know this (I'm not trying to "mansplain"): when the bicycle was invented, they designed one for girls and a different one for boys. The difference was the horizontal bar going from beneath the handles to beneath the seat. There were two reasons. One was that girls didn't wear pants in those days. But why couldn't boys ride the same bike without the bar? Because the engineers knew the bike needed extra structural support because boys are going to ride faster and do dangerous, risky stupid things on bikes, as I did when I was a kid.
Again, I don't recognize the terminology. I just saw people doing what they want to do. You mentioned cooking. My dad enjoyed cooking, and was excellent at it, and probably did about 50% of the cooking. My older brother played almost every sport there is. My older sister played no sports at all. Do you think they were performing according to "roles", or just doing what they naturally wanted to do?
I looked something up, and found that a lady named Lillian Baumbach was the first licensed master plumber in the U.S. This was in 1951. She was the first female master plumber, there could have been other female plumbers before her. 1951 was a long time ago, and I have a hard time believing there are lots of ladies who really want to fix my toilet but are somehow being prevented.
I don't know them.
I have not spoken to a woman who wanted to be a plumber, specifically, that I can recall. But I have spoken to lots of women who started in those kinds of trades - ones which operate with an apprenticeship system - and most of them left after facing discrimination, hostility, sexual harassment, and the like.
For some women who live alone, having a strange man in the house is threatening. I don't feel that way personally, but some women would prefer to be able to call a tradeswoman for a plumber, electrician, widget repair and so on. So there are companies of all women who cater to that.
I didn't say gender roles were obvious, I said no one talked about such a concept.
Why? I can't imagine that a man who lives alone finds having a strange woman in the house threatening.
My apologies, I misunderstood you.
Well, in that scenario, physical or sexual attack, or intimidation, or the like, is much less likely.
Yes, that was part of the reason for my rhetorical comment. Men and women are different.
No, I certainly think women should be concerned. That's why I advocate for gun ownership for women, especially among single women living alone. Since this thread is about egalitarianism, I'll remind us that a slang term for a gun is an "equalizer". A large man attempting to attack a petite woman has an unfair advantage, but give that woman a .44 magnum and suddenly the situation is much more egalitarian.
I've never said that there aren't (on average) biological differences between men and women. I just don't agree that those should flow on to educational, employment, social, and economic restrictions, and the like.
Do you think she should wear it in a shoulder holster or on her hip anytime a man is in the house? What if the man is known to her? What if she has kids at home? Should she keep it locked up?Yes, that was part of the reason for my rhetorical comment. Men and women are different.
No, I certainly think women should be concerned. That's why I advocate for gun ownership for women, especially among single women living alone. Since this thread is about egalitarianism, I'll remind us that a slang term for a gun is an "equalizer". A large man attempting to attack a petite woman has an unfair advantage, but give that woman a .44 magnum and suddenly the situation is much more egalitarian.
I think my comments were on topic, and I was just trying to be helpful. But if you'd prefer Australian women to be more vulnerable rather than less, I suppose you're entitled to your opinion.
You're also entitled to your opinion, but in case you change your mind, the side hip holster is the most efficacious way of carrying.
To an extremely limited extent. I do not buy most of the gender essentialist arguments that men are more x, and women more y, when we're talking about psychological or mental differences. Actually, the bell curves for those traits almost totally overlap, with most men and women existing within that overlapping area. Like so:
