!!!!! Ebola !!!!

[Armoured]

Okay, here's a little story that I think SHOWS that a NO FLY FROM ebola infected areas WOULD INDEED stop the spread. Say that that there's a "meet and greet the parents" at a school. The teacher has prepared little name cards for the parents. After a little talk the teacher lets the parents know that there are snacks in the back and encourages all to mingle. After the little snack time the teacher told the parents that she put a little sticker on the back of the little name cards and wondered who has it. One person raised their hand. The teacher pointed out that the sticker represents that he had a particular communicable disease and said that everyone who shook hands with him or touched him (or whatever he touched) has it too and whoever touched that person and so on and so) has it too. In fact, the teacher said that EVERYONE now has this communicable disease. Only one person who abstained from the snack time and the mingling and stayed by himself could say with any certainty that he did not have the communicable disease as well. NOW THAT'S what a NO FLY FROM ebola infected countries would do. No one would be exposed to the disease, so no one could "catch it". We wouldn't have to rely on people's honesty--"Nope, I never came in contact so I should be allowed to fly" said with fingers crossed. NO ONE FROM the infected area would be allowed. No disease. No chance of exposing others to the deadly disease.

Surely you people should understand that. You all speak of the settlers killing off Native American Indians by stories of bringing the Indians disease to which they were not immune. The Native Americans were fine, then the disease was introduced and they were dead.

Surely you people know that Quarantine was used in Ellis Island and the one on the West Coast. If a person was sick, he was held until he was well. He wasn't allowed entry into the country until WE were sure that he was no longer a danger. No chance of infecting others.

Surely you people know that Quarantine was used to stop the spread of disease in the past.

It's only rational.

 

[Targaryen]

Fitting...very fitting.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

I finally feel secure after this statement issued. So basically you can't get Ebola riding on a bus , but you can give it. What?

Dr. Tom Frieden, director for the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), said during a telephone press briefing Wednesday that you cannot get Ebola by sitting next to someone on a bus, but that infected or exposed persons should not ride public transportation because they could transmit the disease to someone else.

 

[Targaryen]

I finally feel secure after this statement issued. So basically you can't get Ebola riding on a bus , but you can give it. What?

Ahhh the CDC...giving nonsensical answers to important questions.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Ahhh the CDC...giving nonsensical answers to important questions.

This doctor is in over his head. He is reading from a script.

 

[MikeK]

I finally feel secure after this statement issued. So basically you can't get Ebola riding on a bus , but you can give it. What?

Can you share his entire quote please, rather than an editorialization of it?

 

[AMDG]

Even the nurses are aware that the CDC protocols are not keeping us safe:

'Nurses are not protected, they're not prepared to handle Ebola': Angry nursing union says | Daily Mail Online

 

[MikeK]

Even the nurses are aware that the CDC protocols are not keeping us safe:

'Nurses are not protected, they're not prepared to handle Ebola': Angry nursing union says | Daily Mail Online

Are you aware of the circumstances of the two Nurses who came down with Ebola so far, are you aware, specifically, that their hospital was not following CDC protocols? How is that the CDC's fault? I understand why you'd be so quick to jump to accept the position if a labor union by default, as labor unions are usually above reproach, but I wonder if you've thought this one through or if you're just trying to score cheap political points on the backs of the suffering.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Can you share his entire quote please, rather than an editorialization of it?

Here is the article with video included. So both audio and text.


CDC: You Can Give?But Can?t Get?Ebola on a Bus | CNS News

 

[AMDG]

Err-"Houston, it seems that we REALLY have a problem". Now it's being claimed that the CDC gave the nurse who came down with ebola, permission to fly.

CDC Gave Latest US Ebola Patient OK to Fly With Slight Fever

Whose side is the CDC on? They "speak out of both sides of their mouth". How are we to know what's the truth?

 

[MikeK]

"This case is serious," Texas Gov. Rick Perry said in reaction. "Rest assured that our system is working as it should."

Referring to the first Ebola case -
"This case is serious," Texas Gov. Rick Perry said in reaction. "Rest assured that our system is working as it should."

Everything is okay down there, it turns out.

 

[MikeK]

Here is the article with video included. So both audio and text.


CDC: You Can Give?But Can?t Get?Ebola on a Bus | CNS News

Thanks. That makes pretty much sense. The risk to general travelers is very low, so low that it should not be a concern, but obviously if you have Ebola you should not put any others at risk.

 

[LoAmmi]

I finally feel secure after this statement issued. So basically you can't get Ebola riding on a bus , but you can give it. What?

It isn't an airborne virus, so you can't get it by simply sitting next to someone. However, if they are showing symptoms, they can pass it along if their fluids get on another person.

So, you shouldn't worry if you're simply riding a bus unless you get bodily fluids from another person on you. It isn't as paradoxical as the fear-pushers are trying to make it seem. But the fear-pushers are good at pushing fear on those who wish to be frightened, so there we are.

 

[Armoured]

Thanks. That makes pretty much sense. The risk to general travelers is very low, so low that it should not be a concern, but obviously if you have Ebola you should not put any others at risk.

Seemed pretty simple to me, too. I guess those with a contrarian bent would prefer to be baffled than think for two seconds.

 

[AMDG]

The virus is spread through droplets in the air. It IS airborn--just like the measles and chickenpox. If the one who is sitting next to you HAS the symptoms (sweating profusely, coughing, projectile vomiting, explosive diarrhea) the CDC HAS said that you have been exposed. One also also has been exposed if one touches the things the infected person has touched because the virus lives so many hours even AFTER the exposure (remember the sweaty sheets of Duncan, the ebola patient that died were considered hazardous.) Oh simple touch seems to also spread ebola through that sweat (remember how Duncan GOT ebola by just helping that other ebola patient?)

 

[Armoured]

The virus is spread through droplets in the air. It IS airborn--just like the measles and chickenpox. If the one who is sitting next to you HAS the symptoms (sweating profusely, coughing, projectile vomiting, explosive diarrhea) the CDC HAS said that you have been exposed. One also also has been exposed if one touches the things the infected person has touched because the virus lives so many hours even AFTER the exposure (remember the sweaty sheets of Duncan, the ebola patient that died were considered hazardous.) Oh simple touch seems to also spread ebola through that sweat (remember how Duncan GOT ebola by just helping that other ebola patient?)

The virus doesn't spread through the air. Give it a rest.

 

[LoAmmi]

The virus is spread through droplets in the air. It IS airborn--just like the measles and chickenpox. If the one who is sitting next to you HAS the symptoms (sweating profusely, coughing, projectile vomiting, explosive diarrhea) the CDC HAS said that you have been exposed. One also also has been exposed if one touches the things the infected person has touched because the virus lives so many hours even AFTER the exposure (remember the sweaty sheets of Duncan, the ebola patient that died were considered hazardous.) Oh simple touch seems to also spread ebola through that sweat (remember how Duncan GOT ebola by just helping that other ebola patient?)

Well, here I am again in the position of trusting AMDG, keyboard warrior with no scientific knowledge in the spread of this disease or credible scientists that have studied Ebola and state that it is not, in fact, an airborne virus. Hmm... tough call, but I'll go with the people with knowledge and training as opposed to frightened keyboard warrior making judgement from her house.

 

[AMDG]

The virus is spread by droplets (not dried virus in the air) but wet droplets of the virus. That's considered airborne just like the measles and chickenpox is spread.

Oh, WHO says that it also has the ability to mutate into the dried virus in the air spread. In fact, every time the ebola attacks a new patient, it mutates slightly.

From WHO:

"Theoretically, wet and bigger droplets from a heavily infected individual, who has respiratory symptoms caused by other conditions or who vomits violently, could transmit the virus – over a short distance – to another nearby person.

This could happen when virus-laden heavy droplets are directly propelled, by coughing or sneezing (which does not mean airborne transmission) onto the mucus membranes or skin with cuts or abrasions of another person"

 

[Armoured]

The virus is spread by droplets (not dried virus in the air) but wet droplets of the virus. That's considered airborne just like the measles and chickenpox is spread.

Oh, WHO says that it also has the ability to mutate into the dried virus in the air spread. In fact, every time the ebola attacks a new patient, it mutates slightly.

From WHO:

"Theoretically, wet and bigger droplets from a heavily infected individual, who has respiratory symptoms caused by other conditions or who vomits violently, could transmit the virus – over a short distance – to another nearby person.

This could happen when virus-laden heavy droplets are directly propelled, by coughing or sneezing (which does not mean airborne transmission) onto the mucus membranes or skin with cuts or abrasions of another person"

It's nothing like how measles and chickenpox are spread. Ebola is spread through literal drops, like raindrops, which can fly through the air, if pushed, but we're talking short ballistic arcs. But what you are talking about is a bioaerosol, which is completely different. I appreciate that you enjoy being scared of things, but please stop making stuff up to enable you.

 

[MikeK]

The virus is spread by droplets (not dried virus in the air) but wet droplets of the virus. That's considered airborne just like the measles and chickenpox is spread.

Oh, WHO says that it also has the ability to mutate into the dried virus in the air spread. In fact, every time the ebola attacks a new patient, it mutates slightly.

From WHO:

"Theoretically, wet and bigger droplets from a heavily infected individual, who has respiratory symptoms caused by other conditions or who vomits violently, could transmit the virus – over a short distance – to another nearby person.

This could happen when virus-laden heavy droplets are directly propelled, by coughing or sneezing (which does not mean airborne transmission) onto the mucus membranes or skin with cuts or abrasions of another person"

Airborne viruses are those that can literally hover. If you are on the opposite side of a large room with an infected person, you are at risk. Ebola is not airborne. Coughing droplets or throwing blood and stool does not make a disease airborn.