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Featured Eat the Bread of Life and Not Die - John 6:50

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Infallible Curator, Feb 23, 2021.

  1. Infallible Curator

    Infallible Curator New Member

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    Watch the doubters jump around on this one:

    Jesus made the clear distinction of not dying like the fathers in the wilderness.

    48 I am that bread of life.

    49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

    50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven,
    that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
     
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  2. Carl Emerson

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    No problem with this - this is at the heart of the Gospel.
     
  3. Infallible Curator

    Infallible Curator New Member

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    Yup.
    And just in case you thought he did not mean what he said, he repeated himself in verse 58:
    This is that bread which came down from heaven:
    not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead:
    he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

    This is NOT talking about 'Dying and Going to Heaven'.
     
  4. Carl Emerson

    Carl Emerson Well-Known Member

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    OK back to the same issue you are presenting...

    Peter Paul and Co. all executed - died - were true believers.

    It is about dying and going to heaven.

    This is the hope of the Gospel secured in Christ.
     
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  5. Infallible Curator

    Infallible Curator New Member

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    Just one scripture please.
    Let alone, two.
     
  6. GraceInChrist

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    Our brethren arent dead, they are only sleeping.

    Luke 8:52
    “And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth.”

    When our lord Jesus Christ is back, he is going to wake up everyone who believed within their hearts the gospel.
     
  7. JoeT

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    This is the bread we pray for daily, "Give us this day our supersubstantial bread." [Matthew 6:11]. The bread is for us to abide in Christ and Christ in us [Cf. John 6:57]

    JoeT
     
  8. GraceInChrist

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    John 6:39-40
    King James Version

    39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
    40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.


    Ephesians 1:13
    King James Version

    13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,



    We shouldnt worry about it. God isnt losing any of us.
     
  9. Carl Emerson

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    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    Now that's good branding.
     
  11. Akita Suggagaki

    Akita Suggagaki Well-Known Member

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    What is the point you want to make?
     
  12. ViaCrucis

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    We have the word of Christ, that He is the resurrection and the life, whoever believes in Him even if they die, yet shall they live; and whoever lives and believes in Him shall not die.

    In Christ there is life, the eternal life which we long and hope for--the resurrection of the body--is not only a future hope that we look forward to on the Last Day, but is the established reality of Jesus, who Himself is raised from the dead as the first fruits. And we, in Him, have received this life from Him which cannot be destroyed--even in mortal death, yet shall we live. So that the life which we have from Him cannot be quenched by death; neither in this life as we live in the suffering and mortality of this body of death, for "by grace have you been saved, through faith" thus through faith we have been made alive together in and with Christ by the Spirit. And also, even upon bodily death, we are confident to be present with the Lord while away from the body. And on the Last Day, when God raises up the dead at Christ's own coming, we shall be raised, and transformed, "in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet". This mortal shall put on immortality, this corruptible shall put on the incorruptible.

    Thus the life we have from Christ is:

    1. The life of faith which we have received from God, by His grace, to a restored communion with God in Jesus Christ.

    2. Even in bodily, mortal death we are not held in bondage to death, for Christ shall keep us with Him until the Last Day.

    3. On the Last Day, at Christ's glorious return as judge of the living and the dead, we shall rise bodily, transformed, glorified; and we shall live forever with our Lord and God in that good and future Age that is to come. Unto the ages of ages. Amen.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  13. Minister Monardo

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    Doesn't eating the bread from Heaven imply becoming a functioning member
    of the body of Christ, as does your other thread, "entering the kingdom"?


    1 Corinthians 10:17 For we, though many, are one bread and one body; for we all
    partake of that one bread.
     
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  15. Minister Monardo

    Minister Monardo Truth In The Nebulous

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    "Eating the bread from heaven" involves becoming a part of the body of Christ, as suggested by
    this statement
    And supported by Paul's overall doctrine that he lays out for the churches in his epistles.
     
  16. JoeT

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    If you're his, shouldn't you live in His house? Worry.

    JoeT
     
  17. Clare73

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    How many kinds of life are dealt with repeatedly in the NT?

    That would be two, physical/natural and spiritual.

    The physical manna was a pattern or type of the spiritual bread of life.

    As the manna, their only food, nourished their physical life, so the bread of life nourishes their spiritual life.

    Yet those who ate the manna eventually died physically, while those who eat the bread of life will never die spiritually.
     
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    duplicate
     
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    The OP hits the nail on the head. I've read every comment and not one addressed what Jesus clearly said. Here is the copy and paste of OP:

    Jesus made the clear distinction of not dying like the fathers in the wilderness.

    48 I am that bread of life.

    49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

    50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven,
    that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
     
  20. Clare73

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    I'm confused. . .which post are you referring to above?
     
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