'Easy to be an atheist if you agnore science' [moved]

[Armoured]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferent_and_epicycle

So not "scientists" at all. Got it.

 

[Michael]

So not "scientists" at all. Got it.

Actually they were the "scientists" of their time, and like scientists today, they based their opinions on mathematical models. The scientific method has been a work in progress, just like "science" itself.

 

[Michael]

ev·i·dence
ˈevədəns/
noun

1. 1.
   the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
   "the study finds little evidence of overt discrimination"
   synonyms: proof, confirmation, verification, substantiation, corroboration, affirmation, attestation
   "they found evidence of his plotting"

How did you rule out the teachings of Christ as being 'evidence' of God based on such a broad and vague definition?

What do you think Jesus meant when he claimed that the "Holy Spirit" would testify on his behalf?

 

[Armoured]

Actually they were the "scientists" of their time, and like scientists today, they based their opinions on mathematical models. The scientific method has been a work in progress, just like "science" itself.

Did the people you are calling "scientists" use the scientific method?

 

[AirPo]

How did you rule out the teachings of Christ as being 'evidence' of God based on such a broad and vague definition?

What do you think Jesus meant when he claimed that the "Holy Spirit" would testify on his behalf?

Because the alledged "teaching of Christ" do not indicate whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

 

[AV1611VET]

So not "scientists" at all. Got it.

Ref your caption: the igloo is one of ... if not the ... most energy efficient structures on earth.

 

[AV1611VET]

So move to New Zealand, then, if you're such a fan.

I'm partial to Alaska, myself.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I'm partial to Alaska, myself.

What part of Alaska?

 

[AV1611VET]

What part of Alaska?

The part that has igloos.

 

[loveofourlord]

hehe I thought at first it was meant to be arrogant.

 

[AV1611VET]

hehe I thought at first it was meant to be arrogant.

Not really.

I take offense (not much, but some) at Armoured's caption.

To me, it's just another one of those, "we scientists are superior to you commoners" remarks.

People live in igloos because they're smarter than scientists, who'd probably stand around trying to find a thousand-mile extension cord for their heaters.

The aborigines pwn scientists as well, with their invention of the aerodynamically structured boomerang without the aid of clipboards and test tubes.

 

[SteveB28]

Not really.

I take offense (not much, but some) at Armoured's caption.

To me, it's just another one of those, "we scientists are superior to you commoners" remarks.

People live in igloos because they're smarter than scientists, who'd probably stand around trying to find a thousand-mile extension cord for their heaters.

The aborigines pwn scientists as well, with their invention of the aerodynamically structured boomerang without the aid of clipboards and test tubes.

Silly man. The Aborigines were being scientists in that instance. At various times, we all act as scientists.

 

[joshua 1 9]

igloos.

Now a days they will try to get a hold of some styrofoam insulation and pile the snow up over that. Although snow itself is a pretty good insulator. They say the temp in an igloo is around 60 degrees just from their body heat.

 

[Michael]

Did the people you are calling "scientists" use the scientific method?

If you mean "math", yes. That's what got them in trouble in fact. The math worked even if the physical model was messed up. That still applies to astronomy to this very day.

 

[Michael]

Because the alledged "teaching of Christ" do not indicate whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

That was kinda the point of the Holy Spirit question that you didn't answer. The Holy Spirit within is an "indicator of truth" according to Jesus.

 

[Armoured]

That was kinda the point of the Holy Spirit question that you didn't answer. The Holy Spirit within is an "indicator of truth" according to Jesus.

No, I meant "the scientific method", that's why I said "the scientific method".

 

[AirPo]

That was kinda the point of the Holy Spirit question that you didn't answer. The Holy Spirit within is an "indicator of truth" according to Jesus.

Since the alledged "teaching of Christ" do not indicate whether a belief or proposition is true or valid, what was alledged about the "Holy Spirit" does not either.

 

[Michael]

No, I meant "the scientific method", that's why I said "the scientific method".

Er, why in your opinion would the "scientific method" not apply to concepts like 'Holy Spirit', but somehow applies to 'dark energy', inflation or "m-theory"?

 

[Michael]

Since the alledged "teaching of Christ" do not indicate whether a belief or proposition is true or valid, what was alledged about the "Holy Spirit" does not either.

Well, if you're going to insist on a purely empirical standard of evidence (non-scientific standard I might add), we could talk about the concept of morality that Jesus described and see how well that concept of morality might apply to everyone. In other words, are his teachings "moral" in the sense that they do the most amount of good for the most amount of people (everyone), or just moral for some? If they are self conflicted ideas, that's a problem. If not, well it passes such a "test".

 

[AirPo]

Well, if you're going to insist on a purely empirical standard of evidence (non-scientific standard I might add), we could talk about the concept of morality that Jesus described and see how well that concept of morality might apply to everyone. In other words, are his teachings "moral" in the sense that they do the most amount of good for the most amount of people (everyone), or just moral for some? If they are self conflicted ideas, that's a problem. If not, well it passes such a "test".

There's an entirely different forum for that discussion.