Easter Origins Pagan?

Is easter pagan

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According to the "church" but not according to God's word.
Same word, same meaning.

Actually, the word “Easter” does appear in the Bible, but only once,
and only in one translation. Among all major English translations of
the Scripture, only the King James Version uses the word “Easter.”

Very Bad translation in King James Version
 
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Because it is really about the resurrection of Christ based on the Gospel accounts long before Constantine?

Did any original Apostles keep the resurrection, or tell us to?
Did Jesus tell us to ?
 
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To find Passover day, you use the Hebrew calendar God gave us.
To find easter day, you use a manmade calendar with pagan origins.

The Hebrew Bible and calendar, I believe are all part of
the oracles of God, committed to the Jews for all mankind.
Acts 7:38, Romans 3:2, Hebrews 5:12, 1 Peter 4:11
 
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How do you know if Jesus Christ was the Messiah?
He would remain in the grave for three days and three nights.

“An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall
no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was
three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be
three days and three nights in the heart of the earth” . Matthew 12:39-40

Easter and its traditional Sunday “sunrise service,”
there is no biblical basis for its observance.
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Easter- The Catholic Encyclopedia frankly admits that
“the apostolic fathers do not mention it”.

"That the Apostolic Fathers do not mention it and that we first hear of it principally
through the controversy of the Quartodecimans are purely accidental."
Easter - Encyclopedia Volume - Catholic Encyclopedia - Catholic Online

"The English term, according to the Ven. Bede (De temporum ratione, I, v),
relates to Estre, a Teutonic goddess of the rising light of day and spring"
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Quartodecimanism - Wikipedia
 
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Check out my blog for a 3 part series explaining the history of the Jewish calendar and my rediscovery of the accurate calendar which has been lost for thousands of years. This is very crucial information if you really want to know what "No one knows the day or the hour" means.
Finally! Biblical Prophecy Interpreted Correctly
I have watched several of your videos now, and I do not accept your solution to the question of what the Herodian-era Jewish calendar was like.

The simple fact is that we don't know how the priests regulated the calendar in the Herodian era, except that from Philo we know that lunar months were based on the first appearance of the waxing crescent. (Sacha Stern, Calendar and Community, Oxford, 2001, p. 116ff.) The priests may have used a metonic cycle, as they did in the neo-Babylonian and Persian periods when they used the Babylonian calendar. (Sacha Stern, Calendar and Community, pp. 29-30). But they may not have. A metonic cycle is not known to have been used with the Rabbinic calendar before the 8th century. (Sacha Stern, Calendar and Community, Oxford, 2001, p. 197.) The rabbinic tradition of a rabbinic court sitting in the Temple is nonsense.

You also seem to think that the barley harvest in Israel is earlier than it is. Jan A. Wagenaar, in his Origin and Transformation of the Ancient Israelite Festival Calendar Harrowitz Verlag, 2005, p.16, cites to G. Dalman's Arbeit und Sitte in Palästina, Gutersloh, 1928-1942, for the dates of the barley harvest:

Dalman cites from his own observations 3 June 1911, 21 May 1913, 16 May 1921, 24 May 1925 as the beginning of the barley harvest in the vicinity of Jerusalem
while he notes that "in the Jordan valley and on the coastal plain the barley harvest normally starts at the beginning of May". Of course, this is the commercial variety of barley grown by the commercial growers. The variety of barley grown by first-century peasants may have been different.

The rabbinic definition of 'aviv as green barley whose kernals produce a milky liquid when pressed is a rabbinic definition consistent with rabbinic presuppositions. The scriptural definition may have been different.

Of course the modern-day rabbinic calendar is useless for determining Herodian-era dates. But I have not encountered any serious scholar who uses the modern-day rabbinic calendar for first-century dates.
 
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I explain what the situation is in non English languages, and you respond with a specific English translation?! Do you not understand that English was not spoken at any of the Church Councils where decisions were made about the annual celebration of Christ's death and resurrection? Do you not see that your argument from English is just a big pile of straw?
Are you a Jew?
Were your ancestors freed from bondage in Egypt?
When christians refer to Pascha, they are not talking about Egypt and the death of the firstborn, they are talking about Christ's death and resurrection. They are two very different meanings of the same word.

Indeed. Passover was an event that typologically prophesied our Pascha.
 
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Easter and its traditional Sunday “sunrise service,”
there is no biblical basis for its observance.

Yes there is. “On the first day.” The 1906 Catholic Encyclopedia is an outdated work of scholarship which was never an official publication of the Roman Catholic Church, and far less can it speak for the other Protestant and Orthodox churches where their doctrine agrees with the Roman Catholic doctrine.

The primary difference between the Roman church and every other major Christian denomination, including the Greek Orthodox, Coptic Orthodox, Ethiopian Orthodox, the Assyrian Church of the East, the Armenian Apostolic Church, the Syro-Indian Orthodox (Mar Thoma Christians of the Malabar Coast), the Syriac and Antiochian churches, the Eastern European Orthodox churches, the Church of Georgia, the Moravians, the Lutherans, the Anglicans, the Presbyterians, the Reformed, etc, has never involved Easter or the date on which to celebrate it. Rather this was decided at the Council of Nicaea in 325 when the remaining Quartodecimian bishops decided to adopt the Paschalion, or Computus, to determine the date of Easter and of the movable feasts such as Pentecost and the immovable Lenten fast which attach to it.
 
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Rather this was decided at the Council of Nicaea in 325 when the remaining Quartodecimian bishops decided to adopt the Paschalion, or Computus, to determine the date of Easter and of the movable feasts such as Pentecost and the immovable Lenten fast which attach to it.
The hold-outs were not quartodecimans, they were what was later called protopaschites. They followed the tradition, which may be as old as the 14 Nisan tradition, of setting Easter to the Sunday that fell within the Jewish week of Unleavened bread. This tradition is recorded in the Didascalia Apostolorum, a 3rd-century Syrian church order:

Therefore ye, when the people (i.e. Jews) keep the Passover, fast and study to complete your vigil in the midst of their unleavened bread.--Didascalia Apostolorum 21.

Elsewhere the Didascalia states that the fast will end after 3 hours have passed on Saturday night.
 
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Indeed. Passover was an event that typologically prophesied our Pascha.
Yep, I believe because the passover has always been from the promises made in covenant with Abraham. In Christ we are all his seed.
 
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Do you mean the present-day Rabbinic Jewish calendar?

Not sure why they call it A Jewish calendar. We have
The Hebrew Bible, that explains the Hebrew calendar.
The same one that Jesus used to figure Gods Holydays.

The Jews where to preserve the oracles of God for all
mankind. The lively oracles [to give unto us] Acts 7:38
Romans 3:2, Hebrews 5:12, 1 Peter 4:11

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But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not
live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from
the mouth of God.
 
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We have
The Hebrew Bible, that explains the Hebrew calendar.
The same one that Jesus used to figure Gods Holydays.

But the Scriptures and the Apocrypha do not explain how to regulate the calendar. Are the months lunar or solar? If they are lunar, do they begin with the disappearance of the old crescent, with conjunction, or with the first appearance of the new crescent? How is the calendar synchronized with the seasons? The Scriptures and the Apocrypha do not directly answer any of these questions.

The exilic and postexilic prophets presuppose the Babylonian calendar. To them, the Babylonian calendar was the Hebrew calendar. But they give no details for its regulation. The books of the Maccabees presuppose the Seleucid calendar, which at that time was a lunar calendar synchronized with the Babylonian calendar. We do not know what the Herodian-era priests used for their calendar, except that we know from Philo and Josephus (not from the Scriptures) that the months were lunar, that they began with the first appearance of the waxing crescent, and that they were kept synchronized with the seasons by some means which they do not describe in detail. It is simply not true that the Scriptures give detailed regulations for the calendar.
 
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The evidence is overwhelming that it is pagan.

The problem is a scribe, injected his own word supplanting the Greek for Passover. And substituted it with a English word Easter. Passover is Christian. Easter is pagan.

I can only guess it was the work of Satan that did this. But its the Christians responsibility to correct the error. Not promote it which is what I see being done before the Great and Terrible day The Lord come.
 
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The evidence is overwhelming that it is pagan.
Quite the contrary. It seems like you haven't read a single response on this thread.
The problem is a scribe, injected his own word supplanting the Greek for Passover. And substituted it with a English word Easter. Passover is Christian. Easter is pagan.
"Easter" is derived etymologically from the Old Teutonic German word for "resurection". You don't seem to understand that "passover" is a made up English word for "pascha" which is what virtually every other language calls it. English and German are pretty much the only exceptions.
I can only guess it was the work of Satan that did this. But its the Christians responsibility to correct the error. Not promote it which is what I see being done before the Great and Terrible day The Lord come.
The lie being propagated is that "Easter" is pagan. That is the work of the devil.
 
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Quite the contrary. It seems like you haven't read a single response on this thread.

"Easter" is derived etymologically from the Old Teutonic German word for "resurection". You don't seem to understand that "passover" is a made up English word for "pascha" which is what virtually every other language calls it. English and German are pretty much the only exceptions.

The lie being propagated is that "Easter" is pagan. That is the work of the devil.


Pascha is what's actually in The Bible Manuscripts and it means Passover. Which is what Christ said He became. He is the Lord of The Sabbath and our Passover Lamb. Naturally the teaching involves resurrection by virtue of being The Lord Christ, The Messiah.
But nowhere in the manuscripts it this word Easter nor Resurrection supplanted for Passover ( Pascha ) in Acts 12 : 4 kjv. Resurrection would be one thing (also not the Greek ). But this is not being used. Easter is there which is pagan in origin.

The fact eggs and rabbits are involved should make this doubly obviously wrong.

A confused scribe or translator inserted this word were it ought not be. If we read The forward letter to the reader by the KJV translators, they themselves admit to mistakes. This being one of them. I prefer the KJV for study but this place needs to be corrected and people should avoid being sucked into the gravitation well of confusion these places in English cause.

I read the Greek text myself to confirmed this.
The English or German entomology has no bearing on The Greek manuscripts.

Any old Webster's Dictionary even correctly identifies the origin of Easter as totally pagan. Christians should be taking the wine and unleavened bread and observing as Christ did and instructed.

1 Corinthians 11:26-27
“For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.”


Show me where did Christ say, play with eggs and rabbits of fertility rites,
in worship to Him? I will give you a clue, no where.
If anyone thinks otherwise, I'll reply when you can get those verses where it says that.
I want them in red letter too.
 
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It is simply not true that the Scriptures
give detailed regulations for the calendar.

You are correct, there is no bible authority for figuring out the
first day of the first month from the new moon nearest the spring
equinox, or adding a leap year, and other details about it.

The oracles of God do not refer to Old Testament Scripture only.

Thing is God preserved His calendar through men, just as He did Old
Testament Scripture. God did not leave that responsibility to us—
He left that to the Jews! Genesis 1:14 God appointed both the sun and
moon “for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.” luni-solar

God has a sacred calendar which keeps track of time. The Greek word
for oracles in Romans 3:1-2 simply means the words or utterance of God.
God also created a system of annual and weekly sabbaths to be observed.

Unless God has preserved His sacred calendar through the Jews, then
we do not know how to figure Passover or any of the holy days in the
year mentioned in the Hebrew bible. Did Jesus keep the Passover on
the wrong date? Did He mention the Hebrew calendar was off?
Even the Catholic church relied on the Hebrew calendar for a while.

Question then is Can we rely on the accuracy of the Hebrew
calendar? Is it God-inspired, or merely the work of carnal men?
God’s revelation concerning the heavenly bodies, including the
times and seasons, began with the earliest generations of men.

The Jewish historian Josephus account concerning the descendants
of Adam’s son Seth. He wrote, “Now this Seth … became a virtuous
man; and as he was himself of an excellent character, so did he
leave children behind him who imitated his virtues. … "They also
were the inventors of that peculiar sort of wisdom which is
concerned with the heavenly bodies, and their order.

And that their inventions might not be lost before they were
sufficiently known … they made two pillars; the one of brick,
the other of stone: They inscribed their discoveries on them
both” (Antiquities of the Jews, I, ii, 3). page 16 / 1.871
https://www.fulltextarchive.com/pdfs/The-Antiquities-of-the-Jews.pdf
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The Comprehensive Jewish Calendar
The Comprehensive Jewish Calendar

It was a closely guarded secret for thousands of years, known only
to the Jewish scribes and priests, rabbis and spiritual leaders.
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1 Chronicles 12:32, we find evidence that God revealed it and preserved
it through men: “And of the children of Issachar, which were men that
had understanding of the times, to know what Israel ought to do.”

According to the Targum, “the sons of Issachar … had understanding to
know the times, and were skilled in fixing the beginnings of years,
the commencement of months, and the intercalation of months and years …
that they might show Israel what to do; and their teachers were two
hundred chiefs of the Sanhedrin.”

God’s annual holy days was patterned after the two annual harvest seasons.
God instructed to observe His holy days on specific days of the month,
while at the same time, during appointed seasons of the year(Leviticus 23:4).

His spring festivals should be kept in the spring and the autumn festivals
in autumn. The Hebrew calendar does this, For without the calendar, it would
be impossible to fulfill correctly what is written in the Hebrew Bible about
hallowed annual times.

Romans 3: “What if some were unfaithful? Does their faithlessness nullify
the faithfulness of God?” Does that mean God would no longer preserve His
oracles through them? “God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar”

The scribes were responsible for the preservation of the Hebrew texts.
How do we know we have an accurate record of the Hebrew Scriptures? Faith
The Pharisees’ court, also in Moses’s seat, preserved the Hebrew calendar.
Christ said, “practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what
they do; for they preach, but do not practice.

By faith we know that the leadership in the Jewish courts did preserve
the rules of the calendar God committed to them—even though they them-
selves have not wanted to follow those rules at all times.
 
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Yes there is. “On the first day.”

There are 8 places in the N.T. bible that uses the phrase
“On the first day of the week”, everyone is a work day,
the first work day of the week, not a religious command
to now keep Sunday as the new Sabbath day.

We can go over each one if you like.
 
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The spring equinox is the most important factor in passover,
not the new moon. I believe that.

The new moon of Tishri is the point in time that sets the other dates
of a year. Once Tishri 1 is established, the rest of the year is set
and the following year can be calculated with extreme accuracy.
Judaism 101: The Jewish Calendar: A Closer Look

Instead of the sacred festivals being subordinate to the
Hebrew calendar the latter serves the holy days.

The measurement of time

God begins the days at sunset
God begins the week with the ending of the Sabbath
God begins the months with the new moons
God begins the year in the early spring

Gods 7th day Sabbath {Saturday]
Gods seven annual Holy Days
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Gregorian calendar - Wikipedia
The calendar was a refinement in 1582 to the Julian calendar

The motivation for the reform was to bring the date for the celebration
of Easter to the time of the year in which the First Council of Nicaea had
agreed upon in 325.

Because the celebration of Easter was tied to the spring equinox, the
Roman Catholic Church considered this steady drift in the date of
Easter undesirable

The Gregorian calendar—named after Pope Gregory xiii. That calendar
revolves around fixing the date of Easter in line with the spring equinox,
ensuring that the Catholic’s festivals fall at the right time relative to the
Earth’s revolution around the sun.

This calendar is based on the Julian calendar, the Roman calendar established
in 45 b.c. by Julius Caesar. He chose the names and lengths of the months
that we still use today (except July and August, which were renamed
after Julius and Augustus).

The Julian calendar was altered by the Vatican.
They helped change the way mankind measured time.

The measurement of time now

The day begins in the middle of the night by a man-made watch.
The working week begins in the middle of the night, 2nd day of the week.
The months begin according to a man-made calendar of heathen origin.
The year begins in the middle of dead winter.

Now worship on Sunday morning, first day of the week.
Now Ancient Rome’s pagan holidays with Christion dressings, used
to stimulate the sale of merchandise in the commercial markets.

Daniel 7:25
 
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