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If people knew what Earth really was then they would know that our existence isn't a coincidence and we have a creator.
And no way that could of been a satellite between the Moon & the Earth right?I remember once as a kid seeing something like this except with less stars, I believe it was 2, one large one small. I found it strange seeing as how there shouldn't be stars there since the moon is supposed to be solid.
Another time in the day, probably around sunset I saw a star in the "shaded" area of the moon which I also found strange. I didn't think much of it but it made me question the moon landing. These two events fueled my curiosity of flat earth when I first got into it.
I was to overwhelmed with the Joy of Salvation and wanted to know who CHRIST is...
By the same reasoning you would have to reject the New Testament.Sailing off the edge means you have to go there first. There seem to be an awful lack of polar circumnavigations, and the few that are claimed are unverifiable and questionable.
According to flat earth methodology, the horizon is always at eye level no matter what elevation you view the horizon from. If you make a water level so that you can clearly see where eye level is, it is always above the horizon, and the higher the elevation, the greater the distance above the horizon.Still, be nice if someone could find earth's curvature, by any physical or optical experiment. Many have tried. No curve, no globe.
That's funny, but the Bible describes a flat earth enclosed by a firmament or dome, a big snowglobe. You don't have to like it, it's only the word of God after all.
Gravity eh. I'd have thought gravity would work better on a flat surface when stuff falls down in the same direction. Unless we're talking Einsteinian gravity, the bending of space-time. You're a true believer, space-time wow?
And what of the oceans, as the sea-bed is spinning underneath at 1,000mph? Is the water velcroed to the ground, or the air we breathe - by what physical process does it move at the same rate as the earth, and translate that motion to the air particles above it? See, things are interconnected.
The eye-level idea is an interesting problem for the Flat Earth, on many levels.According to flat earth methodology, the horizon is always at eye level no matter what elevation you view the horizon from. If you make a water level so that you can clearly see where eye level is, it is always above the horizon, and the higher the elevation, the greater the distance above the horizon.
Is the government lying about the big bang?
Kind of a sequel to my "Hell is not Eternal" thread I thought I'd tackle another major topic that Christians are divided on and that's the shape of the Earth. Flat Earth is biblical but after centuries of of indoctrination the majority of the world population including most Christians believe Earth is a spinning ball floating in space orbiting the Sun orbiting a black hole.
First of all, why lie?
If people knew what Earth really was then they would know that our existence isn't a coincidence and we have a creator. The Big Bang theory model of the universe makes earth and humanity seem insignificant and that there is a possibility of life on other "planets". Alien life means the bible is false and humans aren't special enough to be made in God's image because we evolved from apes. Think about it, why would God make all these other planets and suns with life and only focus on one? That's highly inefficient.
So what is Earth?
Earth is not a "planet", there's no such thing. They just added the letter "t" to the word plane which is what we are living on. Using the Hebrew model of the Earth shown below we can see a rough view of what we are living on.
"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." - Genisis 1:2
The waters God saw are what we know as space or the 2nd Heaven. It is the area between Heaven (3rd Heaven, God's Domain) and the dry land which is Earth.
"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day." - Genisis 1:6-8
The firmament is the indestructible dome God created that separates the 1st and 2nd heaven. It is what is preventing the waters God saw in the beginning from pouring over us, I'll explain later what the stars and planets are below.
"And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good." - Genisis 1:9-10
After God separated the first two heavens with the firmament, the dry land appeared which is what we are currently standing on. He left some water which is what we know as the ocean and the seas. This should give you a clear image of what Earth is now, you can see that it is not a "planet" but a flat plane that could span forever for all we know.
What are the stars and planets?
Stars are created in the waters above the firmament though a phenomenon called Sonoluminescence. To avoid making this thread bigger than it already is I'll just leave it at that. I'm still not entirely sure what planets like Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn are so your guess is as good as mine.
What is the Sun and Moon?
The sun and moon hover and rotate above the earth and below the firmament and are the same size. The sun provides light during the day and the moon during the night. Both are required to create days as they revolve in a circle around earth. The moon is actually transparent and you can see stars through it if you look for them.
I have seen several Flat Earthers making both statements, sometimes even in the same conversation. The only reason why they still can make these contradicting statements is that they never address any criticism.
Ummmm, failure to represent on all counts except maybe the last one.Is the government lying about the big bang?
Church: YES OF COURSE!
Is the government lying about evolution?
Church: YES OF COURSE!
Does the government have a sketchy deep state?
Church: YES OF COURSE!
Could the government be lying about the shape of our planet?
Church: NO, IDIOT YOU MUST BE AN UNEDUCATED MORON TO BELIEVE SOMETHING AS STUPID AS THAT! AL YOUR “SCIENCE” IS NON SENSE AND PSUEDO, ARE YOU EVEN SAVED? YOURE AN IDIOT AND GIVE CHRISTIANS A BAD NAME!
No, if you want to claim that the Bible is the "word of God" that would take some evidence. The Bible does not even claim that. It is only the interpretation of some Christians. At best if you quote the Bible, and this is using circular reasoning, it only says that some undefined "scripture" is the word of God and from context it had to be referring to earlier works.
Lastly the snowglobe Earth is only your interpretation of the Bible.
Gravity always does go in the same direction on Earth. It goes towards the center. Down is not the constant "down" that one feels on a limited plane. Since the Earth is so large at anyone location it looks as if "down" was always the same, but even on our limited scale of local object some man made objects have to account for the fact that the Earth is a globe. I can find specific examples if you wish, but in engineering some spans they had to account for the curvature of the Earth and the fact that a support on one end of a very long bridge is pointing in a slightly different direction than one one the other end of a very long bridge. As to seeing the curve, the view from a typical airplane window is too limited to notice the curve, even at tens of thousands of feet. You might be able to see it from the front window if you had a straight edge to hold up to the horizon. You still won't notice it with the naked eye.
That one does not see the curve is not unexpected with a large body. There are other ways that we can know that we are on a globe. For example flat Earthers cannot explain sunrise and sunset. Their model fails since they claim that the Sun is relatively close but it never changes in angular size. The globe model can explain those everyday observances. The Flat Earth model cannot explain why the stars rotate in one direction in the northern hemisphere and the opposite in the southern hemisphere. The globe model can.
Oh, and I almost forgot. If one has objects of the same height all in a row and they are on a flat surface one can see the curvature of the Earth. Even at ground level. There are several examples of this. Again, the Flat Earthers only explanation in this case is a misunderstanding of what perspective is.
There is the image with perspective drawn in for you.
I did not expect to get these kind of replies in a Christian forum of all places.Why is it always round or flat? How about a nice triangle earth? Or oxegon shaped. You all lack imagination. And I bet you don't allow for unicorns either. Sigh.
No, if you want to claim that the Bible is the "word of God" that would take some evidence. The Bible does not even claim that. It is only the interpretation of some Christians. At best if you quote the Bible, and this is using circular reasoning, it only says that some undefined "scripture" is the word of God and from context it had to be referring to earlier works.
You're wrong about buddy.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
You don't believe in unicorns?I did not expect to get these kind of replies in a Christian forum of all places.
Really?I did not expect to get these kind of replies in a Christian forum of all places.
There are several problems here.WW2 Air Map
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