Earth is Flat

Subduction Zone · Apr 15, 2020

Kinable said:
And I'm still waiting for an excuse on why objects of greater mass don't attract objects of smaller mass that isn't because "Earth is too big".

What are you talking about? Can you be more specific? It is pretty obvious that you do not understand Newtonian gravity at all. Here is the formula:

F = G*M1*M2/r^2

F is the force on either body. The direction is towards the other body. M1 is one mass, M2 is the other mass, G is the gravitational constant and r is the distance between them. Both masses pull on each other. But a small mass pulling on a huge mass barely moves it. So it always looks as if the small mass is drawn to the large mass.

Any questions?

Subduction Zone · Apr 15, 2020

Kinable said:
Observation
Earth might not be a sphere like we're told

Question
How does the moon and/or sun reflect off the surface of water when setting?

Hypothisis
If it's a spot close to the sun/moon then the earth is likely a sphere, if it's a line that stretches far in my direction then it's flat.

Experiment

Analysis
The reflection is a line that stretches far which is not possible on a globe/sphere.

Conclusion
Earth is not a sphere.

Do you see the waves? That water is not "flat". It reflects off different parts of the waves. See if you can find a picture without any waves at all at night.

Kinable · Apr 15, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
Do you see the waves? That water is not "flat". It reflects off different parts of the waves. See if you can find a picture without any waves at all at night.

And with this you have proven to me you not only don't understand science but you don't understand the point of this scientific method experiment lol.

This light reflection is not possible on a sphere or curved surface.

Subduction Zone · Apr 15, 2020

Kinable said:
And with this you have proven to me you not only don't understand science but you don't understand the point of this scientific method experiment lol.

Please, don't make bad jokes.

Once again you only demonstrated that you do not understand how light reflects off of water. Get a picture on a calm night.

Kinable · Apr 15, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
Please, don't make bad jokes.

Once again you only demonstrated that you do not understand how light reflects off of water. Get a picture on a calm night.

You're avoiding the point of the experiment because of the waves lol. Look at that long line of light that stretches from the sun all the way to the observer of the camera. That is IMPOSSIBLE on a curved surface which is proven with this.

You're the one who doesn't understand how light reflects off of water, you're avoiding the obvious point of the experiment by talking about waves. Even with the waves the light still reflects the same. You just can't admit you're wrong or explain on a globe and it's obvious.

This is real observable science anyone can do.

Subduction Zone · Apr 15, 2020

Kinable said:
You're avoiding the point of the experiment because of the waves lol. Look at that long line of light that stretches from the sun all the way to the observer of the camera. That is IMPOSSIBLE on a curved surface which is proven with this.

You're the one who doesn't understand how light reflects off of water, you're avoiding the obvious point of the experiment by talking about waves. Even with the waves the light still reflects the same. You just can't admit you're wrong or explain on a globe and it's obvious.

You do not understand basic physics. You keep forgetting about the effects of waves on the light.

I posted the scientific method. You claimed to follow it. So far you have only demonstrated that you can form failed experiments. The water in your pictures was not flat. There were waves.

And you also forgot that the Earth is very large. The amount of curvature is very small. You are basing your experiment on a strawman.

Kinable · Apr 15, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
You do not understand basic physics. You keep forgetting about the effects of waves on the light.

I posted the scientific method. You claimed to follow it. So far you have only demonstrated that you can form failed experiments. The water in your pictures was not flat. There were waves.

But the light reflects the same despite the waves. How do you explain that long line of light on a curved surface? You're just acting dumb at this point and it's obvious, you know what I'm talking about and if you truly don't then you have no business claiming I know nothing about science.

topher694 · Apr 15, 2020

Kinable said:
And with this you have proven to me you not only don't understand science but you don't understand the point of this scientific method experiment lol.

This light reflection is not possible on a sphere or curved surface.

Deception is not very Christian of you.

Subduction Zone · Apr 15, 2020

Kinable said:
But the light reflects the same despite the waves. How do you explain that long line of light on a curved surface? You're just acting dumb at this point and it's obvious, you know what I'm talking about and if you truly don't then you have no business claiming I know nothing about science.

Your experiment is flawed from the start because it is almost guaranteed that you do not have the correct curve in it.

Now please, watch your language. I have not called you names for your inability to understand basic science.

Let's go over the scientific method first. You clearly do not understand it. That is why I posted a simplified version for you.

Subduction Zone · Apr 15, 2020

topher694 said:
Deception is not very Christian of you.

I do not think he is trying to deceive on purpose. I think that he has a very poor understanding of the subject matter.

topher694 · Apr 15, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
I do not think he is trying to deceive on purpose. I think that he has a very poor understanding of the subject matter.

I agree, but I outlined earlier the deceptive tactics flat earthers use and it went ignored/unchallenged. In fact he's demonstrated all of them, So I think it fits.

Subduction Zone · Apr 15, 2020

topher694 said:
I agree, but I outlined earlier the deceptive tactics flat earthers use and it went ignored/unchallenged. In fact he's demonstrated all of them, So I think it fits.

It appears to be severe Dunning Kruger effect. He may realize that if he learned he would have to change his claims and that is too much for him. Notice the excessive sensitivity. When he demonstrates a basic lack of understanding of the sciences and people comment on it he takes that as a person attack rather than as correction and an aid to understanding. My offer to discuss the scientific method also went without a response.

And the very basics of science do not take that long to learn. A person that understood the basics would have no problem discussing them. And yet people that do not understand the basics always run away from offers of help. It is a bit frustrating at times.

Kinable · Apr 15, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
Now please, watch your language. I have not called you names for your inability to understand basic science.

I didn't call you dumb I said you are acting dumb by which I mean you are acting like you don't know what I'm talking about. The light is reflecting the same despite the waves. I'm talking about the long line of light that despite the waves distorting it is still clearly visible. That is not possible on a curved surface, curved as in the curved surface on a sphere. It is only possible on a flat surface, flat as in level despite the movement of the waves.

If after this crystal clear explanation of what I am talking about you still don't get it then I will no longer respond to you.

Subduction Zone · Apr 15, 2020

Kinable said:
I didn't call you dumb I said you are acting dumb by which I mean you are acting like you don't know what I'm talking about. The light is reflecting the same despite the waves. I'm talking about the long line of light that despite the waves distorting it is still clearly visible. That is not possible on a curved surface, curved as in the curved surface on a sphere. It is only possible on a flat surface, flat as in level despite the movement of the waves.

If after this crystal clear explanation of what I am talking about you still don't get it then I will no longer respond to you.

And I looked at your model. It fails. Your curvature is grossly exaggerated. That amount of curvature will not be seen anywhere on Earth. That is why it fails.

By the way, saying "acting dumb" is not allowed either. I would be in big trouble if I said "you are acting like an idiot". In actuality I know that you are trying but you do not understand the topic well enough to form a proper experiment.

That is why we need to discuss the basics of science.

One more time, let's run your beliefs through this:

topher694 · Apr 15, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
It appears to be severe Dunning Kruger effect. He may realize that if he learned he would have to change his claims and that is too much for him. Notice the excessive sensitivity. When he demonstrates a basic lack of understanding of the sciences and people comment on it he takes that as a person attack rather than as correction and an aid to understanding. My offer to discuss the scientific method also went without a response.

And the very basics of science do not take that long to learn. A person that understood the basics would have no problem discussing them. And yet people that do not understand the basics always run away from offers of help. It is a bit frustrating at times.

Again I agree. To put it another way the thought that they have special knowledge or understanding is exhilarating and any challenge to the understanding is a challenge to that good feeling.

Kinable · Apr 15, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
That amount of curvature will not be seen anywhere on Earth. That is why it fails.

Hmm, could you possibly explain why that would be...

prodromos · Apr 15, 2020

Kinable said:
You're avoiding the point of the experiment because of the waves lol. Look at that long line of light that stretches from the sun all the way to the observer of the camera. That is IMPOSSIBLE on a curved surface which is proven with this.

You're the one who doesn't understand how light reflects off of water, you're avoiding the obvious point of the experiment by talking about waves. Even with the waves the light still reflects the same. You just can't admit you're wrong or explain on a globe and it's obvious.

This is real observable science anyone can do.

The only way you will get anything resembling this is off the surface of a frozen lake or salt flats. Even then you would have to ensure that it was completely smooth with no ripples or undulations. On a rippled water surface you will have light reflected from the shore to the horizon, exactly as your other photos show.

Subduction Zone · Apr 15, 2020

Kinable said:
Hmm, could you possibly explain why that would be...

Really? Scale is extremely important in an experiment. Your experiment puts the observer in space and yet you used ground based pictures.

Why do you run away from the offer to go over the basics? Only a person that did not understand the basics would do that. A person that understood the basics could demonstrate that knowledge very quickly.

Kinable · Apr 15, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
Really? Scale is extremely important in an experiment. Your experiment puts the observer in space and yet you used ground based pictures.

Why do you run away from the offer to go over the basics? Only a person that did not understand the basics would do that. A person that understood the basics could demonstrate that knowledge very quickly.

prodromos · Apr 15, 2020

Kinable said:
Hmm, could you possibly explain why that would be...

Because your theoretical picture has curvature way more than 8 inches per mile squared. It is not even remotely the same scale as reality. Whoever created the image is deliberately falsifying his data.

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