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Of course once you call my thoughts stupid, manipulate my words and argue points that were never made and attempt to use this method of communication to bully me because you disagree , the conversation can not and will proceed past that communication. As I've said I don't communicate in that bully manner and if you want to cyber bully do it to someone else if you want to disagree and have an interesting conversation by all means let's do that. However once you disrespect anything about me the conversation can not continue. I'm not the type of man that will allow you to abuse me even on the internet.

Gaslighting or gas-lighting[1] is a form of mental abuse in which false information is presented with the intent of making victims doubt their own memory, perception, and sanity.[

You said it, you are attempting to gaslight me because you can't deal or hold yourself accountable for anything you do or say so you lie your way out. It's clear you said my thoughts are stupid and it's clear you are twisting words.


Verbal abuse check, gaslighting check.....my point is furthered.

Check other threads well know fact I stay away from abused women, the reason why is the way they communicate and difficulty admitting wrong.
That's a good example (maybe even great example) of confirmation bias.
 
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We are talking nutters, and the dynamics that tend to follow them. Women that abuse are just as strange...and dangerous. Thankfully, I worked with a man that was abused...and he got full custody. Visitation is rocky, but things are looking up for him.

Humans tend to take the path of less resistance. She is fragile, and will bend and take all the junk upon herself...because she is broken already. Its easier to pressure her to do what they want her to do so they don't have to get TOO involved. Since she feels like a crumb on the bottom of someone's shoe? It doesn't take much to accomplish it either. She feels the weight of the world, and the world pretty much tells her (those close her that is) that she should. So she does the best thing she feels she can. It's hard to work with or against that type of dynamic.

Agreed.

Like I said - my dad was a criminal prosecutor for most of his career - and he managed to impart a few (IMHO) good lessons to me over the years.

One of the biggest lessons was simply not to get involved in anyone else's business - as it rarely turns out well. Most likely, at least in these types of situations, all you're going to end up doing is alienating yourself from both of them (the abuser and the abused). Stay removed from the situation. Offer counsel if you can on stuff they ask about - but never give advice - as it will only come back to haunt you.

I think he got soured primarily by a cousin of mine who came to him asking him for divorce advice. She was married to a real creep of a guy - who by all accounts (and I believe they're probably true) was molesting another cousin of mine (the wife's much younger sister).

The guy was always getting into trouble with the law - for stuff like public indecency/exposing himself to women - or running different scams. A few times when he got arrested he tried using my dad's name .. kind of like "Hey, I know so and so, can you cut me a break?" - which my dad put an end to forthwith.

Well - my cousin came to him one day supposedly having "had enough" - and asked for my dad's counsel. He wasn't a family attorney - so he referred her to a buddy of his who was really well known for that field of law - and talked his buddy into doing the case pro bono. She worked him to death - then finally when it came time to finalize the divorce - she up and changed her mind/disappeared. You can imagine the spin that took - and how embarrassing that must have been.

Their kids are a mess (one is 50 years old and a meth-head - so most likely he ain't got long kicking around this earth) - and the other is a constant jailbird. Nothing went right for that couple.

As a result - I just don't get involved with people's stuff. My wife does - like - she'll talk to her girlfriends about their martial problems and occasionally if they need tactical advice on how to proceed with a divorce she'll send 'em over to me (for some reason I've got a reputation as being good for that). But - I'll simply confine my input to stuff like "Well, if you choose to proceed, this is what you ought to do."

...I won't ever say whether or not they should, though.

Generally - despite all you hear about how people are too flippant about marriage and too prone to divorce - it's my experience that people are the exact opposite...and that they'll hang on far too long.
 
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That's a good example (maybe even great example) of confirmation bias.

It is a confirmation of a bias that's obvious me stating I have a bias however it's also an example of why I have a bias. Calling someone's idea stupid is unacceptable to me manipulating words to argue points that don't exist is is not acceptable. It just happens this poster was a woman that was abused and my bias is against women that are abused due to a pattern of disrespect, abuse and poor communication skills. For me my bias is a good way to avoid women that will say things like "that's a stupid thing to say."

We use men's reaction to abuse as something else. The reality is it's not appropriate to call someone's anything stupid do we accept that kind of verbiage from women and deny men's behavior.



We validate and examine the man instead of the aggressor.
 
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Agreed.

Like I said - my dad was a criminal prosecutor for most of his career - and he managed to impart a few (IMHO) good lessons to me over the years.

One of the biggest lessons was simply not to get involved in anyone else's business - as it rarely turns out well. Most likely, at least in these types of situations, all you're going to end up doing is alienating yourself from both of them (the abuser and the abused). Stay removed from the situation. Offer counsel if you can on stuff they ask about - but never give advice - as it will only come back to haunt you.

I think he got soured primarily by a cousin of mine who came to him asking him for divorce advice. She was married to a real creep of a guy - who by all accounts (and I believe they're probably true) was molesting another cousin of mine (the wife's much younger sister).

The guy was always getting into trouble with the law - for stuff like public indecency/exposing himself to women - or running different scams. A few times when he got arrested he tried using my dad's name .. kind of like "Hey, I know so and so, can you cut me a break?" - which my dad put an end to forthwith.

Well - my cousin came to him one day supposedly having "had enough" - and asked for my dad's counsel. He wasn't a family attorney - so he referred her to a buddy of his who was really well known for that field of law - and talked his buddy into doing the case pro bono. She worked him to death - then finally when it came time to finalize the divorce - she up and changed her mind/disappeared. You can imagine the spin that took - and how embarrassing that must have been.

Their kids are a mess (one is 50 years old and a meth-head - so most likely he ain't got long kicking around this earth) - and the other is a constant jailbird. Nothing went right for that couple.

As a result - I just don't get involved with people's stuff. My wife does - like - she'll talk to her girlfriends about their martial problems and occasionally if they need tactical advice on how to proceed with a divorce she'll send 'em over to me (for some reason I've got a reputation as being good for that). But - I'll simply confine my input to stuff like "Well, if you choose to proceed, this is what you ought to do."

...I won't ever say whether or not they should, though.

Generally - despite all you hear about how people are too flippant about marriage and too prone to divorce - it's my experience that people are the exact opposite...and that they'll hang on far too long.

You know what the funny thing is the situation with my cousin is kind of the same thing. I think that really is were my anger is and frustration comes in I am more so angry at a community that has a history of certain behavior that is damaging our community. When I see the mother of my cousin's children I see a woman that was raised in an enviorment where the only choice she has is to be angry. Her mother a drug addict, her father a supposed drug kingpin(I think he was a crackhead as well)......she was raised by her grandmother along with 11 other children. I think being the product of a single family household, having a mother that was a drug addict and not getting the help to appropriately deal with that situation lead her to a man hating destructive path. She was a prostitute and cheated on him with other women and constantly accused him of cheating and has stabbed him, cut him, beat him up, lied to the police, threatened his children and even her own life. Is that a direct reflection of the dysfunction that she comes from? A little random side bar I would like your opinion on.

Anyway eventually he came to me and I tried my best to help him become established enough to get his girls, I even offered him a gas station. Well eventually I got a phone call from her and I was threatened she was going to put a price on my head, she later had a friend call me and threaten my daughter......in ways that are more horrible then you think.

Currently he went back to her and she had the nerve to tell him she's still mad at me. What bothers me the most is that people will have you do all this work to help them, you will put yourself out there and over extend yourself and all you get back is a hand full of spit. Then they are going to go back to same person that doesn't care about their own life. Then I think about the fact that he's my child's godfather and he is with a woman that had a friend threaten my daughter's life.

He cares so little about the people that he's around and their children. I find him to be self centered.

Honestly if she shot him I wouldn't visit him in the hospital and if I had to take a stand I'd just say I don't remember. I know and mostly everyone that knows them knows the next time she's probably going to kill him.

The people I look at like the real victims are the children that don't have a choice or really a voice to speak up. They both shouldn't have them, they don't deserve them.
 
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